Secret Hitler - I - The First [Concluded]
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Visorslash
Deity
Yes but he also doesn't want to support me who is essentially confirmed liberal
Lohrenswald
世界的 bottom ranked physicist
tinfoiling?
I don't really understand your argument here. I wasn't suggesting that zack is hitler. though he might be of course. That last scenario I presented was just one of many.
As for why me, KingMorgan and Jarrema has to contain a fascist, a liberal and Hitler I don't understand
No. The plan would be that some think Legato is fascist and Zack liberal, and some the other way around. Preferably an uneven split.
This might be sound reasoning, but I don't think I favour Legato over you and Zack. Besides me being elected chancellor, I don't know how to convince you I'm not hitler. It's true I'd like to be chancellor, but I'm okay being only president.
Lohrenswald
世界的 bottom ranked physicist
because opinions can only be created in an instant and not after a while of thought and reflection?
this post was not that long ago...the idea that you would eventually come to trust neither is completely new.
And seems opportunistic given how the last election went down.
Zack
99% hot gas
Zack is peeked Liberal & Legato is a Facist.
Stork is not Hitler and pro-Liberal, may as well be peeked Liberal.
Visor just feels villagery, (especially our interactions pre & post peek, and our interactions atm).
I'm a Liberal.
that leaves 1 Facist, 1 Hitler, 1 Liberal between the remaining 3 players.
Explain how an even split gets one of us elected as Hitler...?
You saw the votes just now, they were a perfect split. Did our master plan work?
I'm not following your logic Lohrens.
You mechanically can't be president without first flipping a random card (in a deck which is at least 66% Facist).
Lohrenswald
世界的 bottom ranked physicist
Alright, I see your logic
unfourtunately, I dissagree with the premise
I said uneven split
I don't understand why you think I have to think the fascists' plan would have have to work
I didn't count
Lohrenswald
世界的 bottom ranked physicist
Wait [OH NO IT GOT CENCORED PLEASE DON'T KILL ME WINSTON], I just thought some more
a Stork presidency will most likely work
if Stork gets two or three liberal cards, we win hooray
if he gets one liberal card and the chancellor is liberal we win hooray
if he get's one liberal card, and the chancellor picks the fascist one, Stork kills the now obviously fascist chancellor
only possible drawbacks:
potentially three fascist cards (but that raises chance of liberal cards in the future)
chancellor is Hitler.
last thing is the largest threat I think
I hope most that Stork picks me, second most that he picks Visorslash, I think
a Stork presidency will most likely work
if Stork gets two or three liberal cards, we win hooray
if he gets one liberal card and the chancellor is liberal we win hooray
if he get's one liberal card, and the chancellor picks the fascist one, Stork kills the now obviously fascist chancellor
only possible drawbacks:
potentially three fascist cards (but that raises chance of liberal cards in the future)
chancellor is Hitler.
last thing is the largest threat I think
I hope most that Stork picks me, second most that he picks Visorslash, I think
Sorry, I misread the "uneven" part.
The facist plan has to work, otherwise why on earth would you feasibly
1) Think of it as an option
2) Decide it is the most viable option
You can't explain why it makes sense, because it doesn't (from a Liberal POV).
It makes perfect sense if you're Hitler though.
Lohrenswald
世界的 bottom ranked physicist
I don't see how both Zack and Legato being fascist is further out than me being Hitler
No. No. No.
You are not.
I explained it before.
You fascist.
In my book, you are one of the scummiest players. In addition, trying to manipulate others to think about you as "essentially confirmed liberal"
You approved King/Zack.
You approved Legato/Zack.
You rejected Jar/Legato (imo because you needed to discredit Zack. You even post around this time that you don't understand why everyone thinks Jarema is scummy).
You were reluctant to pick a side after Zack vs Legato became a thing, keeping options open.
Visor was elected, you still don't take a stance.
Voting on Zack was happening, still no stances...except, that people should really think about nominating Lohrens.
Zack is rejected. Stork is now president, Visor can't be picked. Stork is trying to decide between Zack/Apoc/Lohren's.
Lohren's suddenly thinks Apoc & Zack are both Facists with Legato
and that Stork should elect Lohrens.
The Apoc/Zack/Legato thing is because myself and Zack are riding or dieing together anyway, you are never getting our vote to become Chancellor.
This way you don't upset the Liberals in Visor/King/Jarema...whose approval you need to be elected.
Legato can vote last and still approve your election.
Legato Endless
Prince
Well, as long as you're arbitrating the possible, I guess that makes sense.
SPOILERS!
Also, in fairness, we do have other mafia tricks. Although that's probably not helping my case...
Jar arguably hasn't even bothered remembering the rules, I'm not sure his vote is very persuasive, although I'm torn between King and Jar myself as the third fascist between Sir-not-really-appearing and the angry scummy.
I find it interesting that Apoc gets frenzied whenever you try to stop and think. It's the same thing he did with the vote and pressed it anyway when the cleared Liberal Stork voted no. His kept pressing Visor to make a decision.
Apparently.
Several reasons actually, which is why it's strange you didn't think of it.
In a game where Apoc and I are fascist: if I give you two fascist policies, and you're forced to play them, then claim you lied, people irrationally jump to assuming Apoc is connected to you because he cleared you. But clearing a liberal as a fascist is a decent enough tactic to gain trust. (especially as there's no early player elimination as in mafia)
Apoc and I are now placed on two opposing teams depending who gets believed. If I go down in a fire of district, Apoc looks good and gets voted in instead. It swings the liberals into assuming a set team and fitting in the pieces.
Which is incidentally, is what Apoc has been doing with a few label switches.
The three of us together is kind of strange, though possible in a really convoluted scheme. It's not true in this case, but it'd be an amusing permutation. Seriously lacks a good end game though.
Sprig
めんどくさい
yes. you can be elected again.
- also thanks for continueing things on - i forgot to check before i went to bed
Zack
99% hot gas
similarly apoc/legato lacks an endgame
this isn't a mafia game, splitting the "town" in half isn't beneficial because hitler needs to be elected chancellor, so it makes no sense to force a deadlock as a ploy
if you and apoc are teammates your gambit makes no sense, it doesn't get you to victory
this isn't a mafia game, splitting the "town" in half isn't beneficial because hitler needs to be elected chancellor, so it makes no sense to force a deadlock as a ploy
if you and apoc are teammates your gambit makes no sense, it doesn't get you to victory
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