SerfNES II - Legacy of Versailles

[Abaddon]

I don't suppose you could spoiler the different continents?

 

[Luckymoose]

If I can't have USA, I want UK.

 

[Abaddon]

I'm assuming you will add the extra stats to nations taken up?


When do you expect this to kick off?

 

[Head Serf]

Well, I need to write-up the "first issue" thing (it's going to be Austria-Hungary and the Balkans). Plus I want to wait a little longer so that people can join without feeling like they're joining something that already started.

 

[Dachs]

I'd like Greece, if I may. Time to Megali Idea the Turk into the dust!...I mean, be extremely respectful and not go overboard.

Azale, we need to talk.

 

[Abaddon]

Well i didnt mean to rush you, i would have thought a week deadline wouldnt be overly hasty.

 

[Head Serf]

Well, the thing is, there aren't any orders for the first part, just heavy diplomacy, which can start fairly soon.

 

[jalapeno_dude]

I will take some insignificant European nation. Probably Portugal.

 

[Abaddon]

Well, the thing is, there aren't any orders for the first part, just heavy diplomacy, which can start fairly soon.

Yeah, guess so. What nations do we absolutly need to sow up to get that started?

Also, do you expect people to play IC very stongly (I.E. get the same result)
Or to look at the potential alternatives that could have taken place.

Who will be taking the helm of Germany.. I really hope you can draw in one of the elite (an i use this in the good way) players for that role.

 

[Fëanor]

@Head Serf: i hope you don't mind that i started a separate thread for the drafting stages of Versailles.
My experience is that separating the discussion/negotiation with all the other unrelated stuff will certainly help in getting it done faster and better.

Luckymoose (UK); Shadowbound (France); Azale (Italy); please join me in there.

 

[~Darkening~]

Time for something new: Brazil .

 

[Justo]

I'll take Spain if that's alright.

Edit: I would like to if possible reserve the possibility of playing Poland or a country that could be made from Versailles.

 

[e350tb]

I Bags Britain!

If I've missed it once again, then I'll settle for Japan or White Russia or the Germans or Canada (in that order).

 

[D'Artagnan59]

Then you get White Russia.

I get Germany.

If not, then Austria-Hungary.

 

[Abaddon]

Does Russia (Bolsy) have an position to argue in the treaty or do we just sit back?

 

[Fëanor]

Does Russia (Bolsy) have an position to argue in the treaty or do we just sit back?

I Hope your are not talking about the Versailles thing i'm doing in the other thread...
Didn't you already sign peace with the central powers? (Treaty of Brest-Litovsk)

 

[Dachs]

Does Russia (Bolsy) have an position to argue in the treaty or do we just sit back?

You sort of signed a treaty with the nasty Germans and therefore are somewhat ineligible to be seriously considered. You can probably hang around the treaty site and yell about things - enough people did that in OTL after all - but don't think that anyone but the Big Four, and more the French, Brits, and Americans specifically, have any real power at the proceedings.

That said, we Greeks would like permission to make comments about the Megali Idea, since we are after all on the winning side. We have some suggestions as to any partition of the Ottoman state.

 

[Fëanor]

For the reasons you yourself have mentioned we would like for the proceedings to proceed without direct external meddling, however we would like to encourage you and others to make suggestions here (or with through PM's).

As for the Megali Idea, the USA already suggested something that should be largely along the lines of that Idea.

 

[Dachs]

Yes, we did note your suggestion, but since Venizelos is in charge right now, not Constantine I, we are...somewhat leery of the Anatolian arrangements. The Balkanian borders look a little screwy too. We're not saying that what you're proposing isn't a good idea, but...in Greece's opinion, a rump Turkish state should be kept alive, if only because they should have the right to national self-determination (and, more to the point, they would fight an unending partisan war against Greek and Italian soldiers were we to try to impose some sort of control on them). We also believe that some of the lower Evros (Maritsa) valley should be given back to Bulgaria; Greece has no claim to those lands. We merely wish the portions of the Ottoman Empire that were in Europe, along with Bulgarian Thrace and Smyrna, with perhaps control over the Opsikion as well. We also suggest that Italy be given a protectorate over southwestern Anatolia as opposed to the whole schmeer, and that the Pontic Greeks be added to the TDFR (unless you really have your heart set on us Greeks having control over them).

EDIT: Also, just an OOC comment here, but the USE looks...disgusting. Germany will go to war again instantly to get Silesia and most of Austria back.

 

[Fëanor]

I tried to use various maps from various treaties as reference but somehow i cant manage to translate that well on the map (orientation wise this map is giving me headaches), it was intended to give greek populated areas of Serbia (macedonia), Albania, Bulgaria and Anatolia.

As for Pontus, i intended to make the the TDFR withouth the Muslim parts but with Wilsonian Armeniawhich encompassed most of Pontus i believe.

As for Italy getting Anatolia, the USA will insist for it to be purely to streamline a transition from the Ottoman Empire to a Democratic Turkish state