SerfNES II - Legacy of Versailles

[Cannae]

So wait, I am going to be divided up?

 

[The Loser]

Norway please!

 

[Cannae]

We have some suggestions as to any partition of the Ottoman state.

I do too. I would be willing to give some land up such as some land on Anatolia and give you back your city, but nothing more (to you anyway)

As for the Megali Idea, the USA already suggested something that should be largely along the lines of that Idea.

BS! I'm sorry but that's too much. At that point you should own the entire damn nation. You would also have to give me considerable amount of aid for me to even think of agreeing to that.

As for Italy getting Anatolia, the USA will insist for it to be purely to streamline a transition from the Ottoman Empire to a Democratic Turkish state

Then do I get the land back?

 

[Fëanor]

@Slavic Sioux, please read some history instead of spewing ******** and noobish comments.

Whatever will be decided the chances that the Ottoman Empire will continue to exist are practically zero, the chances that in the near future a Turkish nation is pretty hight, unless the Turks decide to be unreasonable.

 

[Cannae]

Whatever will be decided the chances that the Ottoman Empire will continue to exist are practically zero, the chances that in the near future a Turkish nation is pretty hight, unless the Turks decide to be unreasonable.

I suggest you look at my terms. They are better than you think.

 

[Dachs]

So wait, I am going to be divided up?

I, as you may have noticed, advocated a Turkish state in control of virtually all of the Turkish majority areas, even though I could have just gone along with the frankly absurd American proposal. Give me some props already.

I do too. I would be willing to give some land up such as some land on Anatolia and give you back your city, but nothing more (to you anyway)

Nah. Go along with the Treaty of Sevres already. That's basically all I suggested.

Then do I get the land back?

Not all of it. Anyway, it wouldn't be you, you're not the "democratic Turkish", you're Sultan and Caliph Mahmud V.

I suggest you look at my terms. They are better than you think.

They would involve significantly different terms than OTL. Anyway, Greece will not give up Greek-majority lands to the Turk. We will go to further conflict if you insist on us yielding Thrace.

 

[Cannae]

They would involve significantly different terms than OTL. Anyway, Greece will not give up Greek-majority lands to the Turk. We will go to further conflict if you insist on us yielding Thrace.

So I am bit confused about what your saying. Just in case if you didn't see my terms I will post them again just for reference.

Spoiler :

We think that the map our nation purposes is the best one due to the fairness and the conditions I will list below.

1 We think that due to Constantinople being a city with so many cultures, religions and diverse backgrounds, that it should be an unity of itself. Meaning that, It would become a city state and not held by any other nation including the Greeks and even ourselves.

2 We think that Arminea and Palestine should both be granted semi antomy in which they are able to govern over local issues. They still would be a part of the Turkish nation, but are to given full representation in the democratic elections and are not to be discriminated in anyway.

3 We are willing to give up all the territory we held in Mesopotamia and Arabia, in I will give to the following nations Iran, Arabs and British. We also ask that 1/6th of any profits made from selling of oil from lands that we once held are to be given to us, so that we can improve our conditions and repay damages. We in turn, will pay any damages made on the British during that battle of Gaillpoli.

Edit: I know some of the areas I have suggested to be given are still in my color. That's only because I didn't have/know a color that would fit with the independence part.

 

[Luckymoose]

UK proposes a breaking up of the German Empire into smaller more easily maintained states.

 

[Dachs]

So I am bit confused about what your saying. Just in case if you didn't see my terms I will post them again just for reference.

In your map, Thrace still belongs to you. Greece will not countenance this; we demand that we receive Thrace up to and including the Chatalja Lines. Those territories are ethnically Greek after all.

Thrace, just for reference, is European "Turkey", if you didn't know.

UK proposes a breaking up of the German Empire into smaller more easily maintained states.

OOC: That sure isn't OOC. Are you sure you're being Lloyd George?

 

[Cannae]

In your map, Thrace still belongs to you. Greece will not countenance this; we demand that we receive Thrace up to and including the Chatalja Lines. Those territories are ethnically Greek after all.

Thrace, just for reference, is European "Turkey", if you didn't know.

OOC: That sure isn't OOC. Are you sure you're being Lloyd George?

Did you read the terms? I was purposing that Constantinople could be an independent city state not governed by any other. I also said that I couldn't find another color that was fitting for my deal. It would still go independent though. Like Singapore, for instance.

 

[Dachs]

But you're still not giving me Thrace, which was the whole point. I *did* read your proposal and found no mention of one of my key terms, ergo I was annoyed. Thrace is a lot more than just Constantinople, after all, and I wanted all of European Turkey save for the city itself to go to Greece.

EDIT: This was all I was interested in. I have made no changes to others' borders, save for the Italian sphere of influence in southwestern Anatolia. Note that Constantinople is a Free City, with its own color (brown).

 

[Cannae]

But you're still not giving me Thrace, which was the whole point. I *did* read your proposal and found no mention of one of my key terms, ergo I was annoyed. Thrace is a lot more than just Constantinople, after all, and I wanted all of European Turkey save for the city itself to go to Greece.

EDIT: This was all I was interested in. I have made no changes to others' borders, save for the Italian sphere of influence in southwestern Anatolia. Note that Constantinople is a Free City, with its own color (brown).

That I can agree to, provided that conditons go right with the other nations involved.

 

[Dachs]

That I can agree to, provided that conditons go right with the other nations involved.

Yes, the Great Powers are being disturbingly quiet. I would think that France would want to expand her old sphere of influence in Syria and Lebanon (they did intervene there in the 1840s after all IIRC) and that the Brits would raise a hullabaloo about Palestine and about not wanting the A-rabs to grab any territory. Speak up, people! We don't want this to turn into a redux of Stormy's 1919 NES, with the main focus being...not on Germany!

EDIT: Oh, also, I'm sorry about not saying this before, but someone (hint hint Britain) should probably be thinking about the fortifications of the Straits, and if the above deal goes through (no reason why not) negotiating some extra article of the Treaty of Sevres (the portion of Versailles that has to do with the Ottoman Empire) with Greece to include a convention on the fortification of and passage through the Bosporus and Hellespont.

 

[Luckymoose]

 

[Head Serf]

Ok, a few things I need to say...

Firstly players are most definitely encouraged to make decisions different from those made historically. I don't want the exact same things to happen. But, on the other side, I don't want things to get ridiculously OOC. You know what I mean? For instance, Greece getting parts of the Ottoman Empire is IC, but the Ottoman Empire getting split up by Norway and Japan is not.

Secondly, I know what Feanor said, but I'd like all of the nations to participate in the Versailles Treaty Discussion. Ultimately, the Big Four will decide what is done, but recommendations from all parties will help immensely. On a similar note, remember, Austria-Hungary, Germany, and Turkey don't have much ability to fight the peace terms, but overly harsh peace terms might have bad results...

Lastly, I'll be making a post showing what each of the nations in the Balkans wants soon. This way the first part of the treaty can be done, the division of Austria-Hungary and possible changes in the Balkans.

 

[Cannae]

If you could add coastal Palestine and the Levant into my lands then I might agree. Heck, I might be willing to give up some of that Iraqi territory you have designated for me. Map coming up.

Edit: I also am interested in buying off one of your (minor) African Colonies. Would that work at all?

 

[Luckymoose]

If you could add coastal Palestine and the Levant into my lands then I might agree. Heck, I might be willing to give up some of that Iraqi territory you have designated for me.

Shut up you lost the war you lose good day.

 

[Cannae]

Shut up you lost the war you lose good day.

Well, I don't think that this will solve anything.
Here it is!

By the way the African colony thing is a totaly differnt and unrelated to the Great War that's happened. PM me please about this second thing.

 

[Luckymoose]

Well, I don't think that this will solve anything.
Here it is!

By the way the African colony thing is a totaly differnt and unrelated to the Great War that's happened. PM me please about this second thing.

I will not agree to that.

 

[Cannae]

I will not agree to that.

Why? It seems far enough to me. I am not so much worried and don't care a lot about Arabia, but I still think that they should own Mecca and Medina due to them being their holy cities.