Lexicus
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*pretends not to understand the concept of the power behind the throne*
Sexist Game or Sandbox?
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*pretends not to understand the concept of the power behind the throne*
AdamCrock
Polish Pirate
Let's face it. Deneris was awesome ! Even though a little bit mad at the end but still she was awsome ! 
Zardnaar
Deity
Let's face it. Deneris was awesome ! Even though a little bit mad at the end but still she was awsome !
She was but the writers butchered her.
Dany going dark I can buy into the execution was horrible.
Equal opportunity though they butchered the men as well.
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There was no shortage of male heirs after her, I think that's the only reason.
Peter the Great left only his wife and daughter Elizabeth after him. He had 10 children IIRC but only 3 of them survived to adult age. Anna died at childbirth and Ivan was sent to prison for something. 18-th century was an age of empresses for us.
AdamCrock
Polish Pirate
They (writers, editors - whatever) did really poor on Danny. Take away the awesome character like she was and butcher it - hey ? It's season 8
Cloud_Strife
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Zardnaar
Deity
As I said her flipping out was believable and she had a habit of burning people to death from season 1.
Her turn was poorly handled and rushed.
I liked Jon Snows ending, may not have been well handled but it fit the character at least.
This is a list of Roman Emperors wives.
AdamCrock
Polish Pirate
I've been affraid to ask but I really don't know (I feel ashamed 
) what the SPQR stands for ? R is for republic, that much I know.
) what the SPQR stands for ? R is for republic, that much I know.
Zardnaar
Deity
Most of them are the Emperor's wives. Byzantium had 1 empress in her own right iirc Zoe.
Marrying a king or emperor was often prestigious but the power rests with the Emperor.
Similar to Queens Elizabeth husband isn't King of the UK he is a prince.
Note in CK you can have a Queen in her own right.
Romans never had clear succession laws neither did the Byzantines hence so many civil wars and the term Byzantine.
Zardnaar
Deity
I've been affraid to ask but I really don't know (I feel ashamed
Senate and People of Rome. In Latin follow link.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPQR
The Senate survived the fall of Rome.
Cloud_Strife
Deity
You literally said there were no female Roman emperors and i pointed out that you are factually wrong.
Reality disagrees with you Zaardner.
Reality disagrees with you Zaardner.
Fippy
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I know the game..those who have problems with the topic either way might read too much into it.
Women were certainly treated badly on many occasions in history, and CK2 reflects this i guess.
But i'm sure men also had rough times when being called to war or similar.
For today, i prefer to not think about gender generalization.
"We" have rulers of both genders, seems fairly balanced.
I have a friend who feels like he's not doing all he can (as man), he's not feeling strong and "cool" enuf,
so it's not like i have a tendency to support women specifically. I try to be there for everybody i like or feel sympathy for, and could care less which gender.
Women were certainly treated badly on many occasions in history, and CK2 reflects this i guess.
But i'm sure men also had rough times when being called to war or similar.
For today, i prefer to not think about gender generalization.
"We" have rulers of both genders, seems fairly balanced.
I have a friend who feels like he's not doing all he can (as man), he's not feeling strong and "cool" enuf,
so it's not like i have a tendency to support women specifically. I try to be there for everybody i like or feel sympathy for, and could care less which gender.
AdamCrock
Polish Pirate
not Theodora ?
Zardnaar
Deity
It's debatable if Byzantium counts as Rome, there's a big historical debate about that.
By Queen or Empress I meant in their own right. Marrying the King doesn't automatically make you a Queen (it can) but it varies by time and location.
Elizabeth, Isabella, Catherine, Maria, Tamara were Queens in their own right not because they married a King.
There was a big difference in legitimacy/power between a proper Monarch, regent or Queen Consort (or Elizabeth II and Prince Philip).
Some monarchs had to beg dukes for support it wasn't absolute.
A lot of people think marry monarch become monarch get power and oldest son inherits everything.
Reality is a lot more complex and probably based off 18th century royals who had more power than say Charlemagne.
It took centuries to evolve from the Roman mess to Louis XVI and Frederick.
Akka
Moody old mage.
Wow, the irony.
Nope. Theodora was the wife of Justinian. She was certainly very influential and was possibly co-regnant, though.
Cloud_Strife
Deity
You were wrong and reality disagrees with what you said.
AdamCrock
Polish Pirate
AdamCrock
Polish Pirate
Jadwiga of Poland was crowned as king. (I do not joke she really was "king" !)
Zardnaar
Deity
She got her power via her husband. That was always risky for women, Henry VIII wives.
Ferdinand for example couldn't push Isabella around because she was Queen if Castilke which was 4 times bigger than Aragon and the Castillian nobles supported here.
A wife always risked death or being packed off to a nunnery or various other unpleasant dates or just outright being ignored.
Over reaching regents also had issues sometimes got put to death.
