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Tell me more of this institutional racism against whites in America, by a white majority government that has systemically oppressed all non-white people.

And hey man, i don't give a damn about the NFL, it's a red herring and a misdirect.

So again, what institutional racism do whites suffer from?

It is clear that institutional racism is against black people in the US. Yet it isn't as clear that poor people of other color (eg white) somehow should focus on that instead of the system which ruins their own lives as well...
Imo it would be more logical to seek an alliance of people who survive from pay-check to pay-check, not play groups against each other.
 
The pattern or similarity may exist. Its the attributing of meaning to it when there is none that's the problem.
The problem is the line of thinking "I see a pattern here therefore it exists, because humans are good at detecting patterns."
 
It is clear that institutional racism is against black people in the US. Yet it isn't as clear that poor people of other color (eg white) somehow should focus on that instead of the system which ruins their own lives as well...
Imo it would be more logical to seek an alliance of people who survive from pay-check to pay-check, not play groups against each other.

What institutional racism do white people suffer from in America that cannot be attributed to class, because that's what you've just done.
 
Tell me more of this institutional racism against whites in America, by a white majority government that has systemically oppressed all non-white people.

And hey man, i don't give a damn about the NFL, it's a red herring and a misdirect.

So again, what institutional racism do whites suffer from?

Sounds like you're doing a "red herring and misdirect", too bad.

I "don't give a ****" about whatever it is you happen to care about either. Even less so if you won't play ball in basic arguments.

What institutional racism do white people suffer from in America that cannot be attributed to class, because that's what you've just done.

You just flagrantly ignored an example because it doesn't fit your narrative lol.
 
What institutional racism do white people suffer from in America that cannot be attributed to class, because that's what you've just done.

I just said that institutional racism in the US is only against black people in that very post you quoted :p

(one could realistically include muslims, but there are so few of them in the US that it isn't good to ad when there is a large black minority)
 
I just said that institutional racism in the US is only against black people in that very post you quoted :p

(one could realistically include muslims, but there are so few of them in the US that it isn't good to ad when there is a large black minority)

Quoted is a racist statement and ignores not only the odd case of institutionalized racism against white people but also other minority populations (Asians, Latin Americans for example).
 
Quoted is a racist statement and ignores not only the odd case of institutionalized racism against white people but also other minority populations (Asians, Latin Americans for example).

One can't win in CFC :(

At any rate I mean that apparently the institutional racism is far greater against black people than those other groups, so it can even be said (even with slight hyperbole) that it only exists against black people.
 
One can't win in CFC :(

At any rate I mean that apparently the institutional racism is far greater against black people than those other groups, so it can even be said (even with slight hyperbole) that it only exists against black people.

That's a *major* stretch and ignores context. In some contexts others have a larger disadvantage.

It's also pretty rough reasoning. "Someone else is even worse off" is not a very good refutation to "X population has an institutionalized disadvantage in Y context". Victimhood competitions are silly. If something is broken it should be fixed.

If you're talking about prioritization it's another matter, but at this point we haven't been talking about that.
 
One can't win in CFC :(

Nah, by now I can say with great confidence that if TMIT is accusing you of being racist against white people, you won.

That's a *major* stretch

Really tho? It's a *major* stretch that black people in the US are more victimized by racism than white people?
 
Really tho? It's a *major* stretch that black people in the US are more victimized by racism than white people?

If you're willing to say it's only "slight hyperbole" that Latin Americans and Asians aren't a thing in the US maybe. Kind of bizarre that you're just ignoring that part of the discussion given your stance taken on immigration policies elsewhere...
 
I think TheMeInTeam lives in some sort of parallel universe, but his messages are somehow phasing into our reality. Maybe CFC is secretly a gateway to other dimensions??
 
I think TheMeInTeam lives in some sort of parallel universe, but his messages are somehow phasing into our reality. Maybe CFC is secretly a gateway to other dimensions??

Though the irony of the quoted statement isn't lost, everyone in their bubble universe thinks theirs is the "real one", perhaps.
 
Might also be on ones idea of institutionalized racism.

I'm sure no institution is racist anymore in the USA. Can feel that way due to the people in it absolutely.

Is there any institution in the USA that's explicitly racist where poca barred by law/rules?
 
Might also be on ones idea of institutionalized racism.

I'm sure no institution is racist anymore in the USA. Can feel that way due to the people in it absolutely.

Is there any institution in the USA that's explicitly racist where poca barred by law/rules?

This is interesting. Do there have to be laws or rules explicitly allowing racism in the enterprise for there to be institutional racism?

Let's take a real life example. The Trump real estate empire featured a system, in which the ground level personnel responsible for taking rental applications would mark a C on them if the applicants were black, so that the next level decision makers would know to turn them down no matter what other qualifications were present. This system did not require any individual racism among the employees to operate, though it did require that they had a willingness to participate in a "company policy" which was explicitly racist. However, the system operated without any written rules that could be pointed to as clear evidence of institutional racism.

Would you call this "institutional racism" on the part of the Trump Organization, or is it just that it "feels that way" due to racist people in the organization, specifically in the uppermost reaches of the organization where a written rule could be made?
 
I swear I've posted this before, in a similar if not the same context... but maybe that was on a different website. Humans are pattern finding machines. It's what we do. Now, humans, as a society, have detected a pattern when people say "it's okay to be white," apropos of nothing, and that pattern tells us that the same people who say this phrase say other, nastier phrases about race, so we can infer from the harmless phrase what their true intentions and attitudes are. You're smart enough I don't need to explain dogwhistling 101, unless it's just some situational blind-spot; everyone has those, so no worries.
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This is interesting. Do there have to be laws or rules explicitly allowing racism in the enterprise for there to be institutional racism?

Let's take a real life example. The Trump real estate empire featured a system, in which the ground level personnel responsible for taking rental applications would mark a C on them if the applicants were black, so that the next level decision makers would know to turn them down no matter what other qualifications were present. This system did not require any individual racism among the employees to operate, though it did require that they had a willingness to participate in a "company policy" which was explicitly racist. However, the system operated without any written rules that could be pointed to as clear evidence of institutional racism.

Would you call this "institutional racism" on the part of the Trump Organization, or is it just that it "feels that way" due to racist people in the organization, specifically in the uppermost reaches of the organization where a written rule could be made?

That would be but it was the 1970s?
 
That would be but it was the 1970s?

Similar things go on right now, they just aren't as easy to explain because they are not well known. And you aren't answering the question. For institutional racism to exist does it have to be in a written rule or policy? EDIT: Wait, I misread your answer. You did acknowledge that it "would be" while throwing on a deflector to imply that even though it would be that doesn't matter since it (maybe) isn't current.

But, let's try a current example.

A guy I work with; licensed contractor, makes a point of always having me on the job site when there is an inspection due, and always takes me with him to building and safety. Now, I get paid by the day and frequently a day with an inspection is pretty much wasted on doing petty little stuff and waiting, and obviously no work gets done at the building and safety office, so why do I get paid for "working" these days? Because I always get better results. The various city and county building and safety departments don't have any written policies that say "treat the white guy better," and I don't really think that every single inspector in every place that we work is slanted by their individual racism. But there is a definite collective result, and it isn't small.

My partner, in several decades as a contractor, has hardly ever gotten through an inspection without having to plead over some petty issue and kowtow to the inspector to get passed. I can't remember the last time I got a work stop over anything that wasn't a glaring piece of outright cheating the plans (yes, we do that occasionally, and sometimes we do get caught). If he even tilts the least bit towards complaining to somebody the response is basically "I dare you and you will never get a job approved in this town again." If I get the least bit irritated and say "who is your supervisor?" I almost always get an immediate sign off and retreat.

The first time I went to B&S with him we had this list of agencies that he had been given who "had to" sign off on this project we were doing for our church; there were like ten. He had handed it off to me and I had gotten one signed and found out that three were total wild goose chases. We walked in as the office opened and I was snarling "I want to see <guy who had given him the list>" with enough venom that people were seriously wondering if there would be blood. Girl at the counter says dude is apparently late for work and offers us coffee. Guy walks in and I rush him before he even makes it behind the counter, start with a "This signature you demanded, the agency says they have nothing to do with it. This one you listed a school district that we aren't even in, and they told me that it doesn't matter because we don't need a school district sign off anyway. This one they said that they give approval on line and it is handled through your office so they didn't know why I had driven all the way down there. I don't know about the rest...y'know what, screw it, where's your boss? I can't even look at you much less talk to you about this." At this point the rats are scurrying all directions, the other customers are all gaping (and silently applauding no doubt) and the boss is promptly hauled out to the counter where he ranted at dude for all the BS stuff he had written on our plans as requirements, voided them all except the one I had already gotten signed, and thanked us for our patience about the misunderstanding. My partner noted as we left "If I acted like that they'd have called the cops in the first thirty seconds, and I'd be lucky to get away without being shot." To this day when we do work in that county that guy basically signs off any plan we come in with without even looking up and meeting me eye to eye.

Was everyone in that office a racist? To some degree, maybe. But what really makes the difference is that everyone, racist or not, knows what they can and can't get away with. They call the cops on me I'm going to tell the cops my tale of woe and the cops are going to say "well, you people can't just do infuriating stupid stuff here and expect people not to get mad." They call the cops on a dangerous brown man and he wouldn't get two words out before he was looking down a gun barrel. So whether they are individually racist or not doesn't matter. And that is the definition of institutional racism, with or without written policy.
 
Similar things go on right now, they just aren't as easy to explain because they are not well known. And you aren't answering the question. For institutional racism to exist does it have to be in a written rule or policy? EDIT: Wait, I misread your answer. You did acknowledge that it "would be" while throwing on a deflector to imply that even though it would be that doesn't matter since it (maybe) isn't current.

But, let's try a current example.

A guy I work with; licensed contractor, makes a point of always having me on the job site when there is an inspection due, and always takes me with him to building and safety. Now, I get paid by the day and frequently a day with an inspection is pretty much wasted on doing petty little stuff and waiting, and obviously no work gets done at the building and safety office, so why do I get paid for "working" these days? Because I always get better results. The various city and county building and safety departments don't have any written policies that say "treat the white guy better," and I don't really think that every single inspector in every place that we work is slanted by their individual racism. But there is a definite collective result, and it isn't small.

My partner, in several decades as a contractor, has hardly ever gotten through an inspection without having to plead over some petty issue and kowtow to the inspector to get passed. I can't remember the last time I got a work stop over anything that wasn't a glaring piece of outright cheating the plans (yes, we do that occasionally, and sometimes we do get caught). If he even tilts the least bit towards complaining to somebody the response is basically "I dare you and you will never get a job approved in this town again." If I get the least bit irritated and say "who is your supervisor?" I almost always get an immediate sign off and retreat.

The first time I went to B&S with him we had this list of agencies that he had been given who "had to" sign off on this project we were doing for our church; there were like ten. He had handed it off to me and I had gotten one signed and found out that three were total wild goose chases. We walked in as the office opened and I was snarling "I want to see <guy who had given him the list>" with enough venom that people were seriously wondering if there would be blood. Girl at the counter says dude is apparently late for work and offers us coffee. Guy walks in and I rush him before he even makes it behind the counter, start with a "This signature you demanded, the agency says they have nothing to do with it. This one you listed a school district that we aren't even in, and they told me that it doesn't matter because we don't need a school district sign off anyway. This one they said that they give approval on line and it is handled through your office so they didn't know why I had driven all the way down there. I don't know about the rest...y'know what, screw it, where's your boss? I can't even look at you much less talk to you about this." At this point the rats are scurrying all directions, the other customers are all gaping (and silently applauding no doubt) and the boss is promptly hauled out to the counter where he ranted at dude for all the BS stuff he had written on our plans as requirements, voided them all except the one I had already gotten signed, and thanked us for our patience about the misunderstanding. My partner noted as we left "If I acted like that they'd have called the cops in the first thirty seconds, and I'd be lucky to get away without being shot." To this day when we do work in that county that guy basically signs off any plan we come in with without even looking up and meeting me eye to eye.

Was everyone in that office a racist? To some degree, maybe. But what really makes the difference is that everyone, racist or not, knows what they can and can't get away with. They call the cops on me I'm going to tell the cops my tale of woe and the cops are going to say "well, you people can't just do infuriating stupid stuff here and expect people not to get mad." They call the cops on a dangerous brown man and he wouldn't get two words out before he was looking down a gun barrel. So whether they are individually racist or not doesn't matter. And that is the definition of institutional racism, with or without written policy.

IDK it's really stupid to me. If that counts as institutionalized racism sure.

I'll generally defer whoever's in charge of health and safety and if they're a moron I'll kick it up to my boss.

I don't have to deal with stuff like that anymore but I'll generally go with competency.

I've noticed it more with women here like I had a female corporal and certain guys didn't like following her orders (1997). Even then it was guys from certain ethnic groups.

I suppose I understand casual racism, but going out of your way to ignore a specialist bit whatever just seems stupid.

By casual I mean off colour jokes, no one takes the hard core ones here seriously.
 
IDK it's really stupid to me. If that counts as institutionalized racism sure.

I'll generally defer whoever's in charge of health and safety and if they're a moron I'll kick it up to my boss.

I don't have to deal with stuff like that anymore but I'll generally go with competency.

I've noticed it more with women here like I had a female corporal and certain guys didn't like following her orders (1997). Even then it was guys from certain ethnic groups.

I suppose I understand casual racism, but going out of your way to ignore s specialist bit whatever just seems stupid.

Your response seems to bear absolutely no connection to the example presented. I'm definitely thinking "deflection."
 
Your response seems to bear absolutely no connection to the example presented. I'm definitely thinking "deflection."

I'm not sure that counts as institutionalized.

Rascist absolutely.

Sounds like an individual problem but if every individual was like that yeah it's rough.

To me it's more like the 1960s where if you were gay or whatever you get fired.

When the institutions are out to get you a D you can't do much about it.
 
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