SGOTM 04 - Peanut

klarius · Apr 28, 2007

I would do trades like this:
Astronomy to Genghis for philosophy+drama+560g+WM.
Theology to Washington for 40g. That will hopefully get him up to cautious. Then he should sell engineering for optics and paper.
Rice from Isa for sheep (rice is 2 health - sheep only 1).

Research then to liberalism, but stop 1 turn before researching it and reevaluate.

All techs Isa is missing for war with Mehmed+20g. Look if this gets new trade options.

Next turn look if Hannibal gives something for Drama.

malekithe · Apr 28, 2007

Looks like I'm up... And boy do I have some catching up to do. I'll spend a while today and tomorrow reading over the last couple turn sets and studying the game then post my thoughts by the end of the weekend.

civ_steve · Apr 29, 2007

Alright, we're moving along!

Good set, Wotan!

a space oddity - skipping
Wotan - Just Played
malekithe <--- You're up!
klarius
MailMan
civ_steve
ainwood

Yes, you're up, malekithe; check it out and post questions.

malekithe · Apr 29, 2007

I haven't had the time to look at the game that I thought I would this weekend. It turns out owning a new home is a sizable time-sink.

If someone else wants to grab it instead, they'd be welcome. I probably won't actually have the time to play until next weekend, after spending free time at work attempting to digest the parts of the game I've missed over the last few weeks. Sorry, about the delay. I hope it doesn't harm our newly-found momentum.

klarius · Apr 30, 2007

Well, I should have some time tomorrow.
I will put in a set to move us along, so I got it.

Any comments?

klarius · May 1, 2007

Okay, I played until I finally managed to get Istanbul.
Save

Turn log:
Turn 0 965:
Do a few trades as planned.
Genghis: Astronomy for philosophy, drama, WM and 560g.
Washington: Theology for 40g. Gets him to cautious for fair trade. Then optics and paper for engineering and WM.
Isabella sheep for rice and spices for dyes.
I cancel gems for spices with Genghis and get sheep and spices for copper (we have iron so don't need copper currently).
We have now at least 3 happiness and 1 health spare in every city.
WM for WM+20g from Hannibal.
Same deal from Brennus.
WM for WM+50g from Mehmed.
War with Mehmed and 20g from Isa for a bunch of techs, She has to catch up anyway, if she shall be of help for Gandhi and I want some more trouble in the Buddhist block.
We have now 700g in the kitty, enough for researching a tech full steam and still have a bit emergency money.
Crank up research and set to liberalism to get it to one turn.
I hope we can wait a bit with using this for an expensive tech, but better safe then sorry.

Turn 1 980:
Uppsala aqueduct->theatre. It's a bit under cultural pressure.
90g+WM for Drama from Hannibal.
WM+40g for WM from Genghis.
Silks for gems from Brennus.

Turn 2 995:
GNH Berserker->galleon

Turn 3 1010:
Gandhi and Genghis make peace.
Genghis goes down from friendly to pleased and will not trade tech anymore (but we anyway have nothing we want to trade currently).

Turn 4-6:
Not really anything interesting.

Turn 7 1070:
Hannibal doesn't need education and philosophy anymore, will have to go for liberalism directly.

Turn 8 1085:
Gandhi sends elephant and spear to Uppsala. Killed w/o losses.
Taoism spreads to Sarmatian.

Turn 9 1100:
Liberalism comes in and I take the most expensive nationalism.
I convert to confucianism to be able to trade with Genghis.
Get guilds+140g+WM for education.
Get music+170g+WM from Brennus for education.
I declare war on Mehmed and land 4 zerks and 2 cats.

IBT:
Mehmed suicides 2 cats on our stack. Still in the green.

Turn 10 1106:
Siege of Istanbul begins. I revolt to free religion to get rid of the negatives with the buddhists.
Genghis will probably never be our friend again, but we cut quite a few techs out of him.

Turn 11 1112:
Not much.

Turn 12 1118:
Gandhi has 2 elephants and 2 swords near Uppsala.
The top elephant is shock promoted so I don't like to attack.
Oh well, he will probably pillage.

Turn 13 1124:
Gandhi doesn't attack at all, but pillages and disributes his troops.
Kill 3 of them, but lose a pike (just upgraded) at good odds.
Cannot get to the last sword.

Turn 14 1130:
Gandhi has now 2 catapults. Kill them.
Istanbul down to 0 defense bonus.

Turn 15 1136:
Cannot do anything at Istanbul - too few troops.

Turn 16 1142:
Still no good.

Turn 17 1148:
Oh well, do a little diplomacy. Have Hannibal declare on Mehmed.

Turn 18 1154:
Genghis is friendly again for the moment. Trade gunpowder for nationalism.
Then he is down to pleased again. Probably our power increase.

Turn 19 1160:
Gandhi comes now with maces. Have to hunker down in Uppsala.

Turn 20 1166:
Still problems at Uppsala.

Turn 21 1172:
Spices pillaged by Gandhi. Our first musket takes revenge.
Printing press is in.
Washington finally knows Gandhi (maybe the caravel I gifted George did help). Hopefully they will trade now.

Turn 22 1178:
Can trade banking for gunpowder from Hannibal.
Switch to economics.
Attack on Istanbul. Hopefully it will fall next turn.
Declare on Washington so his relation to Gandhi gets better.

Turn 23 1184:
Hannibal has economics already and hopefully is soon friendly - switch back to chemistry.
Capture Istanbul with Pyramids, Great Library, Sistene Chapel and Notre Dame.
Isa does now also know Gandhi. We will soon have to declare on her (for her relations to Gandhi and because of the culture pressure of Toledo).

I didn't switch to representation up to now, because I don't think it's a good idea to hand over in anarchy.
I'm also not quite sure if we want mercantilism to go with it (loses a lot good trade routes) or free market when Hannibal trades economics.
But I think we should revolt soon. At least before Istanbul comes out of anarchy.
Then we should look to get some scientists going.

As usual we need a lot. Our new lands need troops (especially catapults) to get more cities from Mehmed and Isa.
We need workers there, as Isa has pillaged like crazy, instead of doing something useful.
But don't forget that Gandhi likes to land a stack (typically 4 troops) at Uppsala every now and then.

Watch out for trades, Hannibal should get to friendly at some time and should then trade economics.

Wotan · May 6, 2007

Have finally had a chance to look at the situation. Well done klarius! Malekithe seems to have continued problems in RL. So should MailMan or CivSteve jump in? It seems to be a fun set of turns to play with lots of warmongering!

ainwood · May 6, 2007

Well, as long as someone keeps it going!

malekithe · May 7, 2007

Yep, I'm still otherwise disposed for the near term. Sorry about that. If someone else could pick it up, that'd be great.

civ_steve · May 10, 2007

Roster status:

a space oddity - skipping
Wotan
malekithe skipped
klarius - Just Played
MailMan <--- You're up!
civ_steve
ainwood

I'm on travel right now (just down the coast to San Diego), and when I get back tomorrow (today) it'll be packing time as we're moving into our new house this weekend. I'll have to skip until after this weekend (most likely next week I can step in).

I'll send a PM to MailMan and see what his status is. Otherwise, it's probably over to ainwood.

MailMan · May 10, 2007

I got it.

I am sorry that I am not following the game, It has been quite a while since I played CIV.
I think that I will return to play with the new expansion after its release, until then I am a bit burnt out.

I will probably play in 24 hours. If anyone has suggestions or general tips please post them.

@civ_steve: thanks for the PM

MailMan · May 10, 2007

Summery:

I switch to representation on the given turn.
Healed our forces, and march them to the next Ottomans city (Bursa). I took that city on the last turn (suffered several loses)

I rushed trading post in Istanbul since it could only work water tiles.
We got a GE. I used him for 1 GP GA (i.e. rushed the Taj)

We have more than 5 million ppl

the Ottomans make peace with Izzy, she demanded us to stop trading with Hannibal. I said no.

Hannibal is friendly. I traded all our techs for all his techs + 80g.

Notes to next player:
1. we should switch civic to get 1 extra trade route (I didn't want to do that on the GA or on the last turn)
2. I think we should sign cease fire and start a builder phase for about 10-20 turns.

THE 1274AD SAVE

Spoiler :

klarius · May 11, 2007

Somebody is playing

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I don't think we should go now into builder mode. That doesn't mean that we cannot make cease fire or peace, but don't start buildings everywhere.
I don't see that we really need a bank in GNH. And I don't think we ever need universities in our old homeland at all. They don't stay when captured and are very expensive.
GNH could build a colosseum and theatre for happiness purposes, but other than that it should build only units.
And the units should still be mainly berserkers. Other cities should build cheap cats as long as we still can (maybe even delay steel a bit).

We urgently need to go after Spain especially Toledo. Isabella needs to be at war with us for her relations with Gandhi. And we need the tiles for Istanbul.
But before declaring on Isa, sell her education for what she can give, in the hope this gets somehow to Gandhi then.

We still don't have a single worker near Istanbul :cry:

. We don't need many workers at our old home - the cities have enough good tiles to work.

Now that the chance to build a courthouse right away is gone, rather build (and rush) a work boat or two in Istanbul, so it can grow fast. We just have to live with the high maintenance for some time.

ainwood · May 16, 2007

So: Should we just let gandhi roll-over our old cities?

klarius · May 16, 2007

I'm still thinking we first have to establish our other core and then should build the strength to tackle Genghis, so we can get the whole continent to Gandhi.
We might consider to give Uppsala to Gandhi earlier as he is so keen to get it. But we sure cannot do w/o GNH for quite some time.
Gandhi will not succeed on his own, if we just give him our current core. We will have to kill (or at least cripple) Genghis, Brennus and Hannibal over time. But there is still a lot time to do so.
BTW, is there anybody intending to play sometime in the near future :confused:

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civ_steve · May 18, 2007

Roster:

a space oddity - skipping
Wotan
malekithe skipped
klarius
MailMan - Just Played
civ_steve <-- Up, but must skip
ainwood

I'm still in the process of moving, and my computer is not set up. I should be able to do a turn set next week.

ainwood - can you take it?

ainwood · May 18, 2007

Yeah - can do. Would be nice if we got some more suggestions though...

ainwood · May 20, 2007

Can't play until at least tomorrow.

ainwood · May 26, 2007

I'm having problems getting warlords patched. I suggest someone else takes it.

Wotan · May 27, 2007

I guess that puts the game back into my lap then? Unless space is available again?

SGOTM 04 - Peanut

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