SGOTM 06 - Fifth Element

Merum · Dec 29, 2007

Given the map size and the fact that London is roughly on the equator, I think that Northern land mass is likely to contain a fair bit of tundra, but it may also be the bridge to other civs via galley.

Hippo is a ripe fruit. We need forces! I think London should whip-rush the current axe when it gets down to 1, and roll the overflow into another one.

Let's also try to squeeze at least one of those workers up to London to farm the dye. It will speed growth(not to mention keeping it from becoming jungled). Use the other worker as bait to try to lure those archers off the forest.

BLubmuz · Dec 31, 2007

Most of us disappeared, mainly Sweeta, that should be up.
Given the date, and that more or less we'll be busy today and "out of synch" tomorrow, i suggest to wait 'til tomorrow night to regroup, then restart the 24/72 rule and go ahead.

Roster:
Sweetacshon - up
Merum - on deck
Great Beyond
Blubmuz
Civicide - resting

Civicide · Dec 31, 2007

BLubmuz said:
Most of us disappeared, mainly Sweeta, that should be up.
Given the date, and that more or less we'll be busy today and "out of synch" tomorrow, i suggest to wait 'til tomorrow night to regroup, then restart the 24/72 rule and go ahead.

Roster:
Sweetacshon - up
Merum - on deck
Great Beyond
Blubmuz
Civicide - resting

Agreed.

By the way, I only just noticed the front page mention, BLubmuz. Nice!

BLubmuz · Jan 1, 2008

just woke up

I didn't know i was in the front page... every now and then i play one of those stupid deity games as HC, just to increase

my quattromaster score.

a good moment to say :newyear:

2008 to you all :cheers:

!

Just to define my "tomorrow night" statement above:
2008/01/01 24:00 GMT

edit
anybody alive?

culdeus · Jan 2, 2008

From a strategic perspective I like the idea of sweeping across to the far east shore and holding a line across the continent.

Hippo looks like a great city site and should be easy to deal with. Start there. Then the hordes of elephants all linked trunk to tail shall descend across the land.

BLubmuz · Jan 3, 2008

What the hell, 1 TS in 10 days!
I suppose Sweeta is away, we must skip him, then Merum is UP.

Just post something before play, we need to re-focus on our game.

Civicide · Jan 3, 2008

Agreed, we went through something similar in SGOTM04 this time last year. Your New Years hangovers should be over by now! Wake up!

BLubmuz · Jan 3, 2008

To clarify: the problem is not "1 TS in 10 days", given the holydays and so on, is that most of us disappeared, simply.
Just post a row is not that big effort.

culdeus · Jan 3, 2008

Civicide said:
Agreed, we went through something similar in SGOTM04 this time last year. Your New Years hangovers should be over by now! Wake up!

Our office is still at half strength. Lots of people still out on vacation. And those that are left are picking up the slack. Or slacking...

Merum · Jan 3, 2008

I'm busy tonight. if SA comes back before I post a got it, he should play. Otherwise, I'll play tomorrow night.

BLubmuz · Jan 3, 2008

it's OK.
probably with the incoming week-end the team will regroup.

Just, please, try to revise our strategy before play.

Not that it's complicated, just to be sure...

About Hippo: i din't opened the save, do we keep it?

Sweetacshon · Jan 3, 2008

Happy New Year!! Sorry.. I went on a spur of the moment holiday/road trip: Sydney - Canberra - Cooma - Nowra - Sydney
and was out of all contact (which was refreshing). I'll need some time to study the save and posts, and remember what I've forgotten, and certainly won't be able to post a plan til tonight. I suppose if Merum is more comfortable with the state of play, we can swap, otherwise I'll post tonight.

BLubmuz · Jan 4, 2008

@Sweeta
I thought you were lost somewhere in the desert...
not exactly, but i can't find Cooma and Nowra in the map (i'm curious). Hope it was a fun trip.

To the game:
not much is changed from your last post, it's up to you and Merum to decide who's first.

I've opened the save, some thoughts:
- I don't think Hippo is worth keeping,
- Corinth can be interesting, with gold, wheat and a bunch of fp, i think it's better keep it, but after Athens, or in the path to,
- surely Carthage (not on a hill, i lost my bet), and don't pillage the hamlet, we can make good use of it :evil:

- i'll build some chariot, to try a worker steal in Mali and to better scout the East
- the problem of iron: we can only wait, i suppose it's under some city, i can't see mines
- there can be a city E of Carthage, we can send our "Carthaginian" mini-stack East to investigate
- Athens: our warrior is still alone, and the worker is no more in the city: let's send an axe ASAP to scout and disturb, then reinforce with at least an archer.
- we can farm the GL NW of York, and use the warrior to try to bait the archers (once the axe+archer will be close to Athens)
- we need at least 2 archers + 1 axe to garrison York, with those swords around.

Sweetacshon · Jan 4, 2008

The trip I took went east from Canberra to the coast, and then north to Sydney up the Pacific Hwy, which is coastal, and much nicer than the inland highway. Very relaxing!

The game:
I'll play 14, up to Construction, tomorrow. Hippo doesn't seem worth keeping- we only want great spots, to keep costs down, which means the capitals, and perhaps Corinth.

Plan:
Ridiculous to keep workers indoors... will get farming, and build a road to Hippo, which will be razed first (if everyone agrees?) while the Carthage stack checks NE, before heading back to spy on Utica again... if it is takeable, raze that as well, before moving on Corinth toward Athens. That's how I see the general plan anyway: 4 axes for the razing of Hippo (which will soon be ready), build chariot in London and another axe in York, send Carthage stack NE before back toward Utica as "reserves", N chariot to case Mali, with 2nd chariot to follow. London medic warrior to check the western peninsula before heading down to join the army for healing duty. After the next builds, possibly slip in archer(s) depending on the situation. Personally, I think Alex's archers can stay for the moment, as losing an axe on them seems silly. If they move, then we can beat them up. Right, that's all I can think of.

Other questions:
The 2xgold, fish, cow spot?
A stack for MM?
How to get a naval scout; wait for Athens?

BLubmuz · Jan 4, 2008

Sweetacshon said:
Other questions:
The 2xgold, fish, cow spot? it can wait, we cannot waste production buiding a settler right now
A stack for MM? yes, a mini stack to watch him, perhaps with chariots first, to try a worker-steal
How to get a naval scout; wait for Athens? i think so

your plan is OK for me, agreed especially about workers, but i don't know if it's worth to road to Hippo

Good luck!

Sweetacshon · Jan 4, 2008

the save

I played 13 turns, and frankly it didn't go to plan. Hippo still exists, and a couple of scouts are dead, mainly due to Civicide style luck. Alex has increased his forest bandits to 3, although it could have been higher. With the troop losses, we are in danger of losing control of AI metals, etc, so this has to be addressed. On the upside, construction is in, and the small axe army ready to roll over Hippo.

edit:I don't know why, but the autolog didn't include turn numbers, but you get the idea. I think it was 13 turns.

Battle Stats:
Units victorious while attacking : 0
Units victorious while defending : 4
Units defeated while attacking : 0
Units defeated while defending : 3

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Merum · Jan 4, 2008

I won't be playing tonight, but here are my initial thoughts for the turnset:

Questions:

Why are we building Chariot when we have access to jumbos?

EDIT: Nevermind, we just gained construction. Question answered.

Priorities:

1. I am going to overflow rush the chariot in London, putting the hammers into a cat. When that cat is down to 1 turn, I plan to whip-rush it into a jumbo.
2. I'm going to whip-rush the axe in York at 1 turn, and roll those hammers into a jumbo.
3. Hannibal has metals, and has to go first. Hippo is to be razed, the cultural pressure from Mansa will cause us to lose it anyway, or at minimum, make it useless. The stack that razes Hippo will heal and continue on into Mansa-land.
4. The mini-stack at Hadrumetum will fortify in forest til healed, then move to pillage around Carthage while waiting for reinforcements.
5. Carthage is a primary target. Utica should be bypassed to get to it. cutting roads on the way.

Observations from previous games:

A shock-cover promoted axe is almost always superior to a CR2 axe.

We cannot neglect spears, Alex and Hanni both have horse.

I would like to build stacks thusly, if possible, for each known civ:

2 Jumbo
2 Axe
2 CR cats
1 Chariot
1 medic spear

I know this will take time and we can't wait, but we should be looking to develop these killer stacks.

Sweetacshon · Jan 5, 2008

Merum said:
Priorities:

1. I am going to overflow rush the chariot in London, putting the hammers into a cat. When that cat is down to 1 turn, I plan to whip-rush it into a jumbo. I thought about it, but there's just not that much food there, and alot of hammers. If you think it's worth "pushing" a few extra units to reduce hammers, that's ok, but I didn't think so.
2. I'm going to whip-rush the axe in York at 1 turn, and roll those hammers into a jumbo. Take care, the chop is in this turn, so watch you don't waste overflow. I don't recall the exact numbers, but I'm not sure this turn is the best time... although maybe it is
3. Hannibal has metals, and has to go first. Hippo is to be razed, the cultural pressure from Mansa will cause us to lose it anyway, or at minimum, make it useless. The stack that razes Hippo will heal and continue on into Mansa-land. Either that or wait for the rushed cats and head straight for Carthage.
4. The mini-stack at Hadrumetum will fortify in forest til healed, then move to pillage around Carthage while waiting for reinforcements. I'm not sure about this... I was more worried about the recently missing workers hooking up the copper again... more of a priority?
5. Carthage is a primary target. Utica should be bypassed to get to it. cutting roads on the way.

Observations from previous games:

A shock-cover promoted axe is almost always superior to a CR2 axe.

We cannot neglect spears, Alex and Hanni both have horse.

I would like to build stacks thusly, if possible, for each known civ:

2 Jumbo
2 Axe
2 CR cats
1 Chariot
1 medic spear

I know this will take time and we can't wait, but we should be looking to develop these killer stacks.

I agree with the stacks, but a few more cats would be handy to reduce defences more quickly. Everyone loves cats

dutchfire · Jan 6, 2008

Hi guys,

I'm back from skiing, I'll take a more detailed look at the thread when my hangover and sleep have disappeared.

Merum · Jan 6, 2008

Here is the save

I didn't really take notes... the path is obvious and clear.

General Summary:

Hippo Razed
Iron Working in. Alex and Hanni have it, we don't.
Pottery researched. Metal Casting underway for forges.
London has reached its health limit without granaries or aqueducts.
Pillaged in both Alex's and Hanni's territories

Upon discovering the iron at Utica, I redirected the Hippo stack there, as this city is now a prime target and a keeper.

Hanni is trying you flank behind us and attack our horses with Axe/Sword. I moved two axes to the horses to defend.

There is another stack building in York. I think it should go directly to Athens, which now has the mids as well as the GW. This would be huge, as we could switch into Police State upon taking it. It's now a priority target, IMO.

The archer stack outside York has been dispatched, along with the reinforcements Alex sent. The forests outside York need to be chopped ASAP to remove attacker's defenses.

My recommendations for the next player:

1. Take Utica and keep it. Heal the stack and send it to Carthage.
2. Finish building the Athens stack in York and send it on its way. I think it's worth it to whip some of it.
3. Chop the forest around York, putting the hammers into either WE or Cats.
4. Try to get a harassment stack into Mali.
5. There is a CR3 catapult in the Utica stack. Please try to protect it.

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