SGOTM 07 - Xteam
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ShannonCT
Deity
Good work Leif. Nice to not see any surprises. 
Washington probably got Hinduism in his capital for 1 additional culture. The 6 culture from the GLH should push our borders onto the silver soon.
With Asoka, Washington, and Toku all Hindu, they should start liking each other soon. I think we can open borders with Washington and Asoka as soon as we get a road connection to New York, and then when Asoka and Washington are both cautious to Toku, we can open borders with Toku as well, and start exploring. Hopefully all 5 of us will be Hindu soon to improve our tech trading prospects.
Turn 42 2320 BC
Workers complete chops
Washingtons border expands to encompass the Silver Hill.
Washington probably got Hinduism in his capital for 1 additional culture. The 6 culture from the GLH should push our borders onto the silver soon.
With Asoka, Washington, and Toku all Hindu, they should start liking each other soon. I think we can open borders with Washington and Asoka as soon as we get a road connection to New York, and then when Asoka and Washington are both cautious to Toku, we can open borders with Toku as well, and start exploring. Hopefully all 5 of us will be Hindu soon to improve our tech trading prospects.
An important hurdle crossed. Thanks, leif.
I'll look at the save and post before the end of the day. One priority in my thinking is to build a scout as Writing is researched to learn more about what we're confronting.
I'll look at the save and post before the end of the day. One priority in my thinking is to build a scout as Writing is researched to learn more about what we're confronting.
Mad Professor
Deity
Nice work Lief,
I'll be out of cotact for a few days again now. I'll be back at it next week.
I'll be out of cotact for a few days again now. I'll be back at it next week.
ShannonCT
Deity
I would suggest that since we are two turns from building an axe and therefore safe from an archer rush, we should send one warrior south to the deer in anticipation of opening borders with Washington. The warrior should try to meet as many other AI as possible to increase our tech trading opportunities (Alpha comes on turn 61). After we've met everyone, the warrior can explore the continent more thoroughly. Right now, we get 4 free military units. That will increase as our population does. We want to avoid excess units until we can start selling techs. So maybe we should hold off on building a scout. I don't think we'll find a galley path to the other continent, so the most important exploration will be for the purpose of simply meeting everyone.
Frederiksberg
Deity
I think we should consider a plan that involves pop-rushing the Library and thus saving some forests for GLib, Oxford and possibly Nat. Epic. Can we reach pop 6 in time to pop rush for 3 pop?. Connectiing the fur is also important.
ShannonCT
Deity
I was thinking that the western worker could start building a road 1SW of Beijing this turn and southern worker can build a road on the deer. Two turns later, they can build roads on marble and fur.
I think you might be right about pop rushing the library. I wouldn't worry about saving forests for Oxford though. By that time, we will have up to 27 base hammers in our BFC and be getting a 200% bonus for building wonders. That means we could get Oxford in 5 turns without chopping. Each chop only speeds that up by 1 turn. Better to cash in our forests early.
Jimmy Thunder
King
Thank leif!
Fastest Alphabet date is a good goal. Also, make sure we prioritise the right worker moves and build some cottages soon.
Fastest Alphabet date is a good goal. Also, make sure we prioritise the right worker moves and build some cottages soon.
Thanks guys. I was sure glad that no one decided to attack... 
I think we have a couple of worker priorities. We need to get that Fur hooked up so we can grow. Quarrying the Marble produces four hammers and two gold, iirc, providing some research gain and some hammers. I think a cottage on the grass east of Beijing is important to get going as well.
EDIT - Getting a road connected to Washington's territory near the Deer seems like it would be important too, to allow the spread of Hinduism to us. That would be a nice side bonus.
Alphabet is about 15 turns off, more or less. I think that is the next stopping point so we can assess trades and diplo priorities.
Speaking of Diplo. what do we need to watch for in SCT's set? Meeting as many civs as possible is important. And keeping track of who does what to who is as well.
Working both Crabs and the Fur will get us to Writing in 5 turns.
I think we have a couple of worker priorities. We need to get that Fur hooked up so we can grow. Quarrying the Marble produces four hammers and two gold, iirc, providing some research gain and some hammers. I think a cottage on the grass east of Beijing is important to get going as well.
EDIT - Getting a road connected to Washington's territory near the Deer seems like it would be important too, to allow the spread of Hinduism to us. That would be a nice side bonus.
Alphabet is about 15 turns off, more or less. I think that is the next stopping point so we can assess trades and diplo priorities.
Speaking of Diplo. what do we need to watch for in SCT's set? Meeting as many civs as possible is important. And keeping track of who does what to who is as well.
Working both Crabs and the Fur will get us to Writing in 5 turns.
ShannonCT
Deity
Is this true, or can we get trade routes with Asoka before getting open borders with Washington by building a road that connects to Washington's?
I don't think so, but, as leif points out, by switching from stone to crabs we can get Writing and Open Borders in 5 turns (one-turn delay of axe and perhaps scout, of course).
If Wash declares on us, there will be no way to explore, so we need to get a warrior through America ASAP. We could also build a scout immediately after axe. (Ignorance is seldom bliss, but knowledge is often power.) That might be a good investment, if hostilities could break out any time. Those who have tested: Are wars likely to begin any time now? Are we likely to get our continent explored with a single warrior before hostilities begin?[/COLOR]
Agree that we need to hook up furs and grow to pop 5. Suggest worker on deer build road there and then one on the marble, while worker near sheep moves to furs and roads it -- think this will hook furs turn we grow to pop 5, assuming we use both crabs.
Suggest we try to remain a free state until Writing allows us to utilize JT's attack alert, then we can wait until alerted or will soon want to pop rush library.
Frederiksberg
Deity
ShannonCT said:
Yes, if we work the two crab tiles, the fur tile and a coast tile we grow in 4 turns and I think your plan will hook the fur just in time. We will also get Writing in 4 turns this way.
ShannonCT said:
That makes sense. We may also be better off keeping 4 forest for +2 health in which case we have 3 forests left for chopping (2 grassland forests and the plains hill on the river bank)
ShannonCT said:
I assume that the same rules apply to trade routes and trade networks.
Frederiksberg
Deity
Cactus Pete said:
In my games I saw early DOW's between T60 and T80. Our neighbors are not the worst warmongers according to the graph posted by JT. Tokugawa is clearly the most aggressive but he has lower score right now and as I interpret Gators information this will make it less likely that he declares. On the other hand, Bismarck is also quite peaceful and yet he declared early (T60) in one of my test games.
"Yes, if we work the two crab tiles, the fur tile and a coast tile we grow in 4 turns and I think your plan will hook the fur just in time. We will also get Writing in 4 turns this way."
Believe it will be five turns before roading is completed. Think it works better to get Writing in 5.
Believe it will be five turns before roading is completed. Think it works better to get Writing in 5.
Frederiksberg
Deity
No, I think your counting is one off. Remember that both workers are able to start working in the current turn as well. As far as I can count the road is completed exactly on time (T50).
Not confused about the counting -- it takes five turns, which includes the present turn, to complete the roading -- but perhaps I am confused about when the city grows and when Writing comes in. Thought Writing in five turns or growth in turns included the present turn, but perhaps not.
DJMGator13
Still breathing
Looking real good 
Suggested plan to stress Alpha sounds good.
I should have some time this weekend. I was going to try to keep a running spreadsheet with our AI contact by turns listed, to see how good this diplo studying has been.
Suggested plan to stress Alpha sounds good.
I should have some time this weekend. I was going to try to keep a running spreadsheet with our AI contact by turns listed, to see how good this diplo studying has been.
Just checked the save and there are no Open Borders deals yet. I don't see how we can get religion from Asoka. If Asoka had Open Border with Washington and we had Open Borders with Asoka, I can see how it might come our way. In a few turns time, we should be eligible for Hinduism, if it will spread...
EDIT - Once we have Stone connected, we should build Walls too.
ShannonCT
Deity
I just tested the trade route thing and found that open borders with a neighboring AI is not necessary to get the trade route income from a more distant AI. Looks like we can have 6GPT from trade routes starting next turn. That should speed up Alpha quite nicely.
Do we need the connecting road or just the agreement?
This is good news and should speed research along!
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