SGOTM 19 - Also Sprach Sid

[pomthom]

1N of Yeha.

I meant: what has it got to do with culture?

 

[Duckweed]

The forest has nothing to do with the culture, it means that Yeha can get a granary up soon enough. Culture before granary is for the bug hammers.

 

[Doshin]

Yeha won't expand its borders this turn, so should build a Granary immediately.

BTW, to rephrase an earlier suggestion:

Cornish Cow: is the Cow better than the Iron?​

I mean, "you are working the Cow. Is this better than the Iron?" The yield of the Iron tundra is lower, but Imperialistic hammers are boosted in Settlers, and it is a 6H tile.

 

[kossin]

If the governor is on, the best tile will be picked anyway for settler.

I'm taking an evening off... burned out. I'll be spending some quality time following your progress

 

[pomthom]

The forest has nothing to do with the culture, it means that Yeha can get a granary up soon enough. Culture before granary is for the bug hammers.

Yes but if we gain nothing from border pop what's the point?
Anyway I followed your advice but can change this turn

Yeha won't expand its borders this turn, so should build a Granary immediately.
lol
That's what I said!

BTW, to rephrase an earlier suggestion:

Cornish Cow: is the Cow better than the Iron?​

I mean, "you are working the Cow. Is this better than the Iron?" The yield of the Iron tundra is lower, but Imperialistic hammers are boosted in Settlers, and it is a 6H tile.

Yes of course, I calculated that when you made the comment and it maybe produces +1H OF so I switched.

If the governor is on, the best tile will be picked anyway for settler.

I'm taking an evening off... burned out. I'll be spending some quality time following your progress

 

[pomthom]

OK we'll have exactly 26 full health Cuirs ready to invade on T131 (all of which can attack on T132), so we are able to split in 2 stacks of 16/10 or 15/11 as per Duckweed's plan.

7 Cuirs are level 4, how do we split them in the 2 stacks?

I can upload if you prefer


EDIT: oh and a GS was born in Case Depart

 

[Duckweed]

4 to the north stack since all the reinforcements will follow the west stack. Assign the shock Cuis in the west stack.

 

[Doshin]

16/10 sounds ok.

Since Kublai cannot whip, his preexisting stack is the real threat. 10 units leaves 2.5 Cuirassiers per defender for the northern stack, unless new units have been built in the interim.

Good news on the Great Scientist.

 

[pomthom]

4 to the north stack since all the reinforcements will follow the west stack. Assign the shock Cuis in the west stack.

Actually I didn't think it through: only 3*Lvl 4 Cuirs +1*Lvl 3 Cuir can go to the North stack (including a Lvl 4 Shock Cuir). Do I still send the Shock Cuir North?

With this info I would make an 11 Cuir northern stack including 2*Lvl 4 + 1*Lvl 3.

What about the 2 Medic/Flanking HAs?

 

[Duckweed]

Save the shock Cui in the west stack since it won't help vs LBs. It's fine to have level 3 Cui instead of level 4 in north stack.

All other units in the west stack.

 

[pomthom]

We have 42 Cuirs in total, 3 more coming next turn (and 1 per turn from RP after that).

Does it make sense to continue building Cuirs in Case Depart, Sheepish or CC?

Spoiler :

If not, what to build instead?

Do I run a specialist in Case Depart instead of GH Mine?

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Other than that, ready to press end turn

 

[Duckweed]

Yes, continue on Cuis.

No sci in capital, save the food now and hire scientists when we are in the next GA.

 

[kossin]

Victory Condition will be Domination (possibly Conquest if war success is very good) so we need a lot of troops... 100+ by end of game. But we're getting close to a point where we should think about research (Democracy) to confirm the hidden objective before we make too many assumptions.

 

[pomthom]

OK the war prep is over!

I'm exhausted and off to bed (4am here - a bank holiday-eve luxury!)


We're not all out of forests but our Workers should have a bit more time to actually impove land now


I can probably play on this weekend and hand over the game by Sunday/Monday. @jata you ready??

But if anyone wants to step in sooner, let it be known!

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Spoiler :

Here is your Session Turn Log from 300 AD to 350 AD:

Turn 127, 300 AD: Constantinople will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Alexander has 80 gold available for trade.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Tokugawa refuses to talk.
Turn 127, 300 AD: You are the worst enemy of Tokugawa.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Alexander is the worst enemy of Napoleon.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Napoleon is the worst enemy of Alexander.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Kublai Khan will trade Copper
Turn 127, 300 AD: Will Trade Map: Kublai Khan
Turn 127, 300 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 24 ℤ for Sheepish.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 24 ℤ for Cornish Cow.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Constantinople will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Alexander has 80 gold available for trade.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Tokugawa refuses to talk.
Turn 127, 300 AD: You are the worst enemy of Tokugawa.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Alexander is the worst enemy of Napoleon.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Napoleon is the worst enemy of Alexander.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Kublai Khan will trade Copper
Turn 127, 300 AD: Will Trade Map: Kublai Khan
Turn 127, 300 AD: Constantinople will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Alexander has 80 gold available for trade.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Tokugawa refuses to talk.
Turn 127, 300 AD: You are the worst enemy of Tokugawa.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Alexander is the worst enemy of Napoleon.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Napoleon is the worst enemy of Alexander.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Kublai Khan will trade Copper
Turn 127, 300 AD: Will Trade Map: Kublai Khan
Turn 127, 300 AD: Golden Sands will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Sheepish will grow to size 10 on the next turn.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Constantinople will grow to size 12 on the next turn.
Turn 127, 300 AD: Sea Horse will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 127, 300 AD: You have discovered Printing Press!
Turn 127, 300 AD: You have trained a Cuirassier in Cornish Cow. Work has now begun on a Market.
Turn 127, 300 AD: You have trained a Cuirassier in Thessalonica. Work has now begun on a Market.
Turn 127, 300 AD: You have trained a Cuirassier in Aksum. Work has now begun on The Taj Mahal.

Turn 128, 325 AD: Golden Sands has grown to size 5.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Golden Sands can hurry Cuirassier for 2⇴ with 8ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 22 turns.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Sheepish has grown to size 10.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Constantinople has grown to size 12.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Constantinople has become unhappy.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Thessalonica can hurry Market for 3⇴ with 4ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 40 turns.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Sea Horse has grown to size 5.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Sea Horse can hurry Cuirassier for 2⇴ with 10ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 60 turns.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Yeha will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Tokugawa is willing to negotiate.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Will Trade Map: Tokugawa
Turn 128, 325 AD: Will Sign Peace Treaty: Tokugawa
Turn 128, 325 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Addis Ababa.
Turn 128, 325 AD: You have made peace with Tokugawa!
Turn 128, 325 AD: Thessalonica will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Sea Horse will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Bacon Sandwich will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Aksum will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Gondar will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Lalibela will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Yeha will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Alexander has 90 gold available for trade.
Turn 128, 325 AD: You are the worst enemy of Tokugawa.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Alexander is the worst enemy of Napoleon.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Napoleon is the worst enemy of Alexander.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Kublai Khan will trade Copper
Turn 128, 325 AD: Will Trade Map: Kublai Khan
Turn 128, 325 AD: Thessalonica will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Sea Horse will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Bacon Sandwich will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Aksum will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Gondar will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Lalibela will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 128, 325 AD: You have trained a Cuirassier in Constantinople. Work has now begun on a Market.
Turn 128, 325 AD: You have trained a Cuirassier in Sea Horse. Work has now begun on a Market.
Turn 128, 325 AD: You have trained a Cuirassier in Bacon Sandwich. Work has now begun on a Market.
Turn 128, 325 AD: Bantu (Alexander) has been captured by the Ottoman Empire!!!
Turn 128, 325 AD: Napoleon has made peace with Alexander!
Turn 128, 325 AD: The Apostolic Palace voting members have announced their decision: Stop the war against Alexander (Requires 141 of 228 Total Votes)

Turn 129, 350 AD: Constantinople can hurry Market for 3⇴ with 10ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 26 turns.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Thessalonica has grown to size 8.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Thessalonica can hurry Cuirassier for 2⇴ with 22ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 39 turns.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Sea Horse has grown to size 4.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Bacon Sandwich has grown to size 6.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Bacon Sandwich can hurry Market for 3⇴ with 30ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 26 turns.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Aksum has grown to size 7.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Gondar has grown to size 6.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Gondar can hurry Cuirassier for 3⇴ with 27ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Lalibela has grown to size 5.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Lalibela can hurry Cuirassier for 2⇴ with 40ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 19 turns.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Yeha has been pacified.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Kublai Khan has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Trumpster's Horse Archer 1 (Rice Pudding) (6.00) vs Barbarian's Longbowman (12.30)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Combat Odds: 0.8%
Turn 129, 350 AD: (Fortify: +5%)
Turn 129, 350 AD: (City Defense: +100%)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Trumpster's Horse Archer 1 (Rice Pudding) is hit for 28 (72/100HP)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Trumpster's Horse Archer 1 (Rice Pudding) is hit for 28 (44/100HP)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Trumpster's Horse Archer 1 (Rice Pudding) is hit for 28 (16/100HP)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Trumpster's Horse Archer 1 (Rice Pudding) is hit for 28 (0/100HP)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Barbarian's Longbowman has defeated Trumpster's Horse Archer 1 (Rice Pudding)!
Turn 129, 350 AD: Your Horse Archer 1 (Rice Pudding) has died trying to attack a Longbowman!
Turn 129, 350 AD: Trumpster's Horse Archer 12 (Rice Pudding) (6.00) vs Barbarian's Longbowman (12.30)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Combat Odds: 0.8%
Turn 129, 350 AD: (Fortify: +5%)
Turn 129, 350 AD: (City Defense: +100%)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Barbarian's Longbowman is hit for 14 (86/100HP)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Barbarian's Longbowman is hit for 14 (72/100HP)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Trumpster's Horse Archer 12 (Rice Pudding) is hit for 28 (72/100HP)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Trumpster's Horse Archer 12 (Rice Pudding) is hit for 28 (44/100HP)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Trumpster's Horse Archer 12 (Rice Pudding) is hit for 28 (16/100HP)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Barbarian's Longbowman is hit for 14 (58/100HP)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Trumpster's Horse Archer 12 (Rice Pudding) is hit for 28 (0/100HP)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Barbarian's Longbowman has defeated Trumpster's Horse Archer 12 (Rice Pudding)!
Turn 129, 350 AD: Your Horse Archer 12 (Rice Pudding) has died trying to attack a Longbowman!
Turn 129, 350 AD: Trumpster's Cuirassier 4 (Cornish Cow) (14.40) vs Barbarian's Longbowman (7.13)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Combat Odds: 99.2%
Turn 129, 350 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 129, 350 AD: (Fortify: +5%)
Turn 129, 350 AD: (City Defense: +100%)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Barbarian's Longbowman is hit for 24 (34/100HP)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Barbarian's Longbowman is hit for 24 (10/100HP)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Barbarian's Longbowman is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 129, 350 AD: Trumpster's Cuirassier 4 (Cornish Cow) has defeated Barbarian's Longbowman!
Turn 129, 350 AD: Your Cuirassier 4 (Cornish Cow) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 129, 350 AD: You have captured Mycenian!!!
Turn 129, 350 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Addis Ababa.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Aksum.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Fish Ships has been founded.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Lalibela.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 24 ℤ for Golden Sands.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Golden Sands.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Case Départ will grow to size 16 on the next turn.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Sheepish will grow to size 11 on the next turn.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Constantinople will grow to size 11 on the next turn.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Dye Hard will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Aksum will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Deal Canceled: Silk to Kublai Khan for Wine
Turn 129, 350 AD: Kublai Khan has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Alexander has 90 gold available for trade.
Turn 129, 350 AD: You are the worst enemy of Tokugawa.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Alexander is the worst enemy of Napoleon.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Napoleon is the worst enemy of Alexander.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Kublai Khan will trade Copper
Turn 129, 350 AD: Will Trade Map: Kublai Khan
Turn 129, 350 AD: Case Départ will grow to size 16 on the next turn.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Sheepish will grow to size 11 on the next turn.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Constantinople will grow to size 11 on the next turn.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Dye Hard will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Aksum will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Galileo Galilei (Great Scientist) has been born in Case Départ (Trumpster)!
Turn 129, 350 AD: You have trained a Settler in Cornish Cow. Work has now begun on a Market.
Turn 129, 350 AD: You have trained a Cuirassier in Thessalonica. Work has now begun on a Market.
Turn 129, 350 AD: You have trained a Cuirassier in Gondar. Work has now begun on a Forge.
Turn 129, 350 AD: Trumpster's Golden Age has ended...

Turn 130, 375 AD: Case Départ has grown to size 16.
Turn 130, 375 AD: Sheepish has grown to size 11.
Turn 130, 375 AD: Constantinople has grown to size 11.
Turn 130, 375 AD: Thessalonica can hurry Market for 3⇴ with 2ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 48 turns.
Turn 130, 375 AD: Dye Hard has grown to size 8.
Turn 130, 375 AD: Aksum has grown to size 8.
Turn 130, 375 AD: Alexander has no worst enemy.
Turn 130, 375 AD: Golden Sands will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 130, 375 AD: Thessalonica will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 130, 375 AD: Sea Horse will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 130, 375 AD: Bacon Sandwich will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 130, 375 AD: Gondar will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 130, 375 AD: Lalibela will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 130, 375 AD: Addis Ababa will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 130, 375 AD: Socrates (Great Scientist) has been born in Toledo (Kublai Khan)!

Turn 131, 400 AD: Case Départ can hurry Cuirassier for 1⇴ with 25ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 131, 400 AD: Golden Sands has grown to size 4.
Turn 131, 400 AD: Sheepish can hurry Cuirassier for 3⇴ with 32ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 45 turns.
Turn 131, 400 AD: Cornish Cow can hurry Cuirassier for 2⇴ with 30ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 40 turns.
Turn 131, 400 AD: Thessalonica has grown to size 7.
Turn 131, 400 AD: Thessalonica can hurry Cuirassier for 2⇴ with 20ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 47 turns.
Turn 131, 400 AD: Sea Horse has grown to size 5.
Turn 131, 400 AD: Bacon Sandwich has grown to size 7.
Turn 131, 400 AD: Aksum can hurry Cuirassier for 3⇴ with 31ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 17 turns.
Turn 131, 400 AD: Gondar has grown to size 4.
Turn 131, 400 AD: Lalibela has grown to size 4.
Turn 131, 400 AD: Addis Ababa has grown to size 4.
Turn 131, 400 AD: Mycenian will be pacified on the next turn.

 

[Duckweed]

Another nighty cat like shakabrade. Well done on amassing troops!

 

[Doshin]

Good job. I wonder if we can drop to 5th place in the scoreboard rankings...

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Night all.

 

[soundjata]

@jata you ready??

This will depend on my ability to connect to internet and STEAM in the coming days...

Spoiler :

New home this weekend

Nice power graph Pomthom! Let's see if TSR can follow us up on this one

 

[Duckweed]

Most of our own cities are exhausted from whipping. We can let them take a break next.

Thessa: Whip now
Sheepish: whip now->OF to spears, we need quite a few city police in the future.
Cornish Cow: whip at size 7? before we switch out of PS
Golden sands: grow on Cui and chop/whip a couple of settlers for 2 north cities.

The next 2 Cuis from RP can be sent to take barbarian city north of golden sands.

 

[pomthom]

Also 3-pop whip in Aksum to OF in Taj along with the incoming chop

 

[Doshin]

What turn is the Taj due to complete, pomthom?

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Case Départ could take the Plains Farm back > Grassland Hill, and let Rice Pudding work the Plains Forest instead. That gets +1F in the capital before the GA.