[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

[Kaitzilla]

Another angle: how much do we actually gain from the worker? Per turn? If he has to travel to the somewhat distant chops over by SB and chop those unenculturated tiles, what are we getting, two or three hammers per turn?

The worker turns canal city food into 60 gold.
Then chops for another 60 gold.
Then gets those 2 Sitting bull forests
Then gets 2 mines or windmills for canal

 

[LowtherCastle]

Lost in this discussion is the 3-food GloryLand settling site, NZ is tempting us to explore:

Spoiler :

 

[LowtherCastle]

The worker turns canal city food into 60 gold.
Then chops for another 60 gold.
Then gets those 2 Sitting bull forests
Then gets 2 mines or windmills for canal

Okay, but could those worker-turns come from a not-gems miner?

 

[Kaitzilla]

I'm happy to send our workboat down as fast as possible.
I'm sure we can replace it fairly soon.

Where exactly the wb is going can be decided next turnset.

I still think Clams whipping a wb replacement T93 is the best solution.
The city loses 14 food compared to netting seafood at border pop t88, but clam city has no anger problems and I want that 60 gold in canal from the worker whip.

Wait.
14 food is 1 pop in Clam City.
Workboat whip is 1 pop in Clam City.
I forgot how much population matters with rep/caste.

Perhaps a wb produced from worker overflow in canal is the better solution.
No anger is produced.

I change my vote to T83 worker whip->workboat in Canal City.

We lose 60 gold but gain 2 pop in Clam City.
The 2 population can use up 10 food getting us 60 beakers during caste.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Okay, but could those worker-turns come from a not-gems miner?

We might currently be on T82 with 20/60 Worker.
It is too late to perform the abortion.

**Edit**
T82 the Worker is at 10/60, sorry!
I'm still sleepy too.

I still think it is too late to stop the worker at 10/60

 

[WastinTime]

Optics:
I was gonna suggest we squeeze it in before Banking, but we have very little to manually research between Banking and Biology.

Compass+optics is 1550:science. Earliest would be:

T115 we have MC + Machinery already, and Oxford is online.
figuring +250bpt
T121 Optics?

That's seems like the earliest, but I'm not suggesting we do that.

 

[WastinTime]

duplicate

 

[LowtherCastle]

Okay. Once again, I’m not vetoing anything. I just think we might be making a huge mistake if we fail to meet AIs in time.

I love WT’s Paper solution, especially because I still assert my research on SB starting with a mysterious 4K power and my hypothesis that equates to SB unit(s) exploring and meeting AIs.

But the Paper solution gambles that we’ll actually meet any AIs with our chariot sentried.

Then again, sending a wb down there likewise gambles 30h will actually meet ANY AIs. Why haven’t any AIs arrived from there yet?

 

[LowtherCastle]

duplicate

My sentiments exactly.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Optics:
I was gonna suggest we squeeze it in before Banking, but we have very little to manually research between Banking and Biology.

Compass+optics is 1550:science. Earliest would be:

T115 we have MC + Machinery already, and Oxford is online.
figuring +250bpt
T121 Optics?

That's seems like the earliest, but I'm not suggesting we do that.

How does T121 Optics, meeting AIs T130?, align to trading for Philo?

 

[WastinTime]

i’m not interested in outvoting you. I’m looking for a rational, convincing solution for all.

Sure, I understand. I just see the voting going 4-1 or 3-2 against me (I had MItch in my camp earlier, but I think he got lost in the woods), so I'm giving my input on the boat, which again is: worker overflow -> wb in Canal.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Okay. Once again, I’m not vetoing anything. I just think we might be making a huge mistake if we fail to meet AIs in time.

I love WT’s Paper solution, especially because I still assert my research on SB starting with a mysterious 4K power and my hypothesis that equates to SB unit(s) exploring and meeting AIs.

But the Paper solution gambles that we’ll actually meet any AIs with our chariot sentried.

Then again, sending a wb down there likewise gambles 30h will actually meet ANY AIs. Why haven’t any AIs arrived from there yet?

The map maker seeded the entire map with long chains of single tile islands.
Emperor AI are constantly sailing into elaborate mazes @_@

 

[LowtherCastle]

We might currently be on T82 with 20/60 Worker.
It is too late to perform the abortion.

Not fair using politically charged rhetoric…

 

[LowtherCastle]

Sure, I understand. I just see the voting going 4-1 or 3-2 against me (I had MItch in my camp earlier, but I think he got lost in the woods), so I'm giving my input on the boat, which again is: worker overflow -> wb in Canal.

I don’t remember ever voting against you…

OK. What about Kait’s latest solution? What do you think?

 

[WastinTime]

I think earliest we need Philo: T130
Could more realistically be T140.
Depends on if we, for example, do Lit+Music for the Artist for the GAge, or just use Canal's GP (like if it is a spy)
I like the sound of free Lit and Music at the cost of an Artist, but only if we get a spy

Optics is likely just a few turns after that since we will be doing 500bpt.

 

[Mitchum]

Both Kait and WT like the Worker whip -> OF wb in Canal in the posts above. That sounds like a good solution to me.

 

[WastinTime]

OK. What about Kait’s latest solution? What do you think?

Didn't Kait just suggest the same thing I had?

if I'm out-voted then the only option I can stomach is putting the worker/Mids OF in Canal into a wb.

 

[Mitchum]

Yes...

EDIT: The only option you can stomach? Now who's being dramatic.

 

[Kaitzilla]

OK. What about Kait’s latest solution? What do you think?

I can't decide if 20/60 Worker whip or 29/60 Worker whip in Canal is best to make a Workboat with.
The 1st gives +9 food to Canal, but the 2nd gives +18 gold with mids.
Canal will have +3 anger on T92 and one of them won't wear off until T96.
That means Size 5 is as big as we can be until T95.

The 20/60 Worker whip gives +1 worker turn, and the +9 food gives us +2 on T83, T85, T87, T89 because we regrow 1 turn earler than the 29/60 whip. (And work coast instead of tundra T83)

I suspect the 20/60 Worker whip is better, but I'm not certain.

 

[WastinTime]

T121 Optics?

Nevermind. I wasn't thinking. Optics can come way before Sushi, but not before Biology.

 

[Mitchum]

Whipping at 20/60 won't complete the wb on the next turn, will it? I think we have to whip at 29/60.