[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

[Kaitzilla]

We can use Shepherd to improve our Wine instead of roading the jungle gems and adding a road to 1W of Science City.
Let's get that Wine

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looks like 111 to 116 at the earliest

Darn those two.

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I don't recall the AI ever bulbing Alpha--maybe just cus the Deity AI gets alpha before a GS. Anyone look for an Academy? (whatever that looks like)

No Academy that I can see.

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[LowtherCastle]

Spreading Confu to Peter

If possible, we should NOT spread Confu to the Peter city with the least food, so when he gets Philo, Taoism will be in a low-pop city.

Also, we should keep an eye on the Philo icon to see if Philo gets bulbed IAFAL.

 

[WastinTime]

We have to be very careful here. Amazing how much things change with Alpha.
If Peter still has his GS, and we give him Medi,CoL, he will switch to Tao T102 and he won't like us enough to agree to switch to Bureau/Caste.

We can't trade CS this turn
Therefore, we do this:

T101 CoL+10g for Monarchy (even with a paused game we can check this deal and he wants 65g+alpha for CoL)

T102 CS for Alpha + our 10 gold back? + map + 4 diplo,
more T102: Meditation (+Mono?) for Caste+Bureau

T103 Peter might get Philo, but maybe can't? switch to Tao for 5 turns? I don't recall if a recent civics switch stops him. Maybe not.
Either way, he may require a spy religion flip later
** Do we need to whip a spy in Whales instead of missionary? and then Silver has to do Whales' missionary.

 

[Kaitzilla]

We are still in caste!

CoL for Alpha,
CS for Monarchy,
Meditation (+currency+Mono?) for switch to Caste+Bureau
Peter changed over 5 turns ago to HR, so we can get another change.

I've looked it over again.
It appears Emperor AI wants Code of Laws + 10 for Alphabet, which is fine with me.

After getting Alphabet, we should trade Civil Service for Monarchy + gold + Peter's map.

We can then attempt to bribe Peter into Caste + Bureau with just Meditation.
If that is not enough, then add in Currency?
If that is not enough, then add in Monotheism next turn?

We could probably add in our map to Meditation before trying Currency if getting Peter's map reveals no hidden knowledge of a few squares given by the mapmaker.

 

[WastinTime]

We could probably add in our map

Hmm. Would that cause Peter's wb to stop exploring?
We better not risk this, huh?

 

[WastinTime]

Hmm. Would that cause Peter's wb to stop exploring?

Or, would he beeline SB so they can meet? I don't know AI behavior here.
That would make it T111 instead of possibly T116 meet.

 

[WastinTime]

If that is not enough, then add in Monotheism next turn?

no reason to wait a turn. He has Poly.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Hmm. Would that cause Peter's wb to stop exploring?
We better not risk this, huh?

Uhh, it would probably cause Peter to stop exploring and go home.
Ok, keep our map to ourselves!

T101 CoL+10g for Monarchy (even with a paused game we can check this deal and he wants 65g+alpha for CoL)

Gah! Peter is teching Code of Laws
Yes, let's trade 10 + Code of Laws for his Monarchy.
We can improve our Wine then.

T103 Peter might get Philo, but maybe can't? switch to Tao for 5 turns? I don't recall if a recent civics switch stops him. Maybe not.
Either way, he may require a spy religion flip later
** Do we need to whip a spy in Whales instead of missionary? and then Silver has to do Whales' missionary.

According to our estimated tech rate, there is no way Peter could have gotten Alphabet in a mere uhh, 6 turns?
Well, maybe if he did 100% slider.
Ok, he might still have Great Scientist.

Let's just hold onto Meditation too, that way he can't bulb Philo?

no reason to wait a turn. He has Poly.

Ya, but we don't have Mono until next turn.

 

[WastinTime]

Moscow is building a monstrosity (not Monastery). What could that be?
Temple of Art.
Moai
(no aqueduct, so not HangingG)

 

[WastinTime]

Let's just hold onto Meditation too, that way he can't bulb Philo?

Yes, but once we have him in Bureau, we're gonna just let him go Philo Tao, right? Tao sux, but not as much as Philo getting bulbed in a far away land.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Wait, if Peter wants 65 + CoL for Alphabet, won't he want the same for Monarchy since he has partially teched CoL?
Maybe we should just give him Meditation + CoL for Monarchy if 10 + CoL is not enough.

Yes, but once we have him in Bureau, we're gonna just let him go Philo Tao, right? Tao sux, but not as much as Philo getting bulbed in a far away land.

Peter is -2 different religion and +3 shared civic.
We could try
+1 Peace
+2 Open borders
+2 Shared resources
+1 Traded 5 techs to him
+4 Fair Trade
+3 Civic
-2 Religion

+11 Friendly Tao Peter?

**Edit**
NO!
Tao Peter has Holy City, so it would be -3 different religion and +3 shared civic
Friendly Tao Peter is not possible unless we can get +2 from tech trades.

 

[WastinTime]

Ya, but we don't have Mono until next turn.

Ya, but we're talking about Bureau/caste T102

Maybe we should just give him Meditation + CoL for Monarchy.

maybe you missed this...

If Peter still has his GS, and we give him Medi,CoL, he will switch to Tao T102 and he won't like us enough to agree to switch to Bureau/Caste.

 

[LowtherCastle]

I missed when Peter got his GS but I don’t think AIs hold on to their GSes. Either bulb or settle.

 

[Kaitzilla]

So, wait 1 turn to do tech trades then, right?

CoL + Mono for Monarchy
Civil Service for Alphabet
Currency + Mediation for 2 Civic changes


Shepherd can road + Stop! 1W of Science City to burn a turn waiting to start Winery.

 

[WastinTime]

So, wait 1 turn to do tech trades then, right?

Shepherd can road + Stop! 1W of Science City to burn a turn waiting to start Winery.

No, you definitely missed this post....

We have to be very careful here. Amazing how much things change with Alpha.
If Peter still has his GS, and we give him Medi,CoL, he will switch to Tao T102 and he won't like us enough to agree to switch to Bureau/Caste.

We can't trade CS this turn
Therefore, we do this:

T101 CoL+10g for Monarchy (even with a paused game we can check this deal and he wants 65g+alpha for CoL)

T102 CS for Alpha + our 10 gold back? + map + 4 diplo,
more T102: Meditation (+Mono?) for Caste+Bureau

T103 Peter might get Philo, but maybe can't? switch to Tao for 5 turns? I don't recall if a recent civics switch stops him. Maybe not.
Either way, he may require a spy religion flip later
** Do we need to whip a spy in Whales instead of missionary? and then Silver has to do Whales' missionary.

 

[Kaitzilla]

No, you definitely missed this post....

T101 CoL+10g for Monarchy (even with a paused game we can check this deal and he wants 65g+alpha for CoL)

This is what is tripping me up.
Alphabet and Monarchy both cost the same.
Why the different prices for our Code of Laws?

If we can get Monarchy right now for CoL+10, I'm in favor of it.

 

[WastinTime]

Friendly Tao Peter is not possible unless we can get +2 from tech trades

easy. It's just 10 techs. That's easier/faster that +2 OB

 

[WastinTime]

Why the different prices for our Code of Laws?

because SB has Monarchy.

 

[Kaitzilla]

because SB has Monarchy.

!!!
Today I learned

Peter has the world's only Alphabet? haha
Very cool the prices can be different even when AI have not met yet.

 

[MirrorGuard]

The GS was born in Novgorod, the city which our galley just sailed past. Maybe I should move the galley back and check whether the GS is still alive?