[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

[Kaitzilla]

Civ 4 is definitely bugged with Catapult vs. Scout

Test game:
Outside our borders, Catapult vs. Scout = 1 Great General xp
Inside our borders with Great Wall, Catapult vs. Scout = 3 Great General xp

Does retreating after an attack count as 0.5 Great General Xp? heh

There’s always the Dhoom Gambit of using an SB scout to harvest cat or treb xp. Once attacked (but not killed) the scout will remain stationary to heal so it can be attacked by our seige every turn.

Incidentally, an excellent variant is to gift a scout at the border pre-DoW for instant xp. There’s no limit to how many scouts you can gift — you can havest xp for your stack of 4 or 7 cats. Of course the AI can disband them IT.

Come to think of it, also a way to neutralize a scout so it doesn’t stand on our resource tiles

@LowtherCastle and @Dhoomstriker have broken the game with this little idea.
3GG xp each turn is outrageous.

 

[MirrorGuard]

Outside our borders, Catapult vs. Scout = 1 Great General xp
Inside our borders with Great Wall, Catapult vs. Scout = 3 Great General xp

There's a 100% great general point bonus applied in a city defence fight. I don't know if it's due to defence or because it happens in domestic territory.

 

[Mitchum]

Is it the impact of the GW?

 

[Kaitzilla]

Is it the impact of the GW?

The Great Wall should only double great general experience.
So 2 instead of 1.

3 seems like it should be impossible.

 

[WastinTime]

Peter is now teching Theology in 10 turns

Not 10. Wait til he is out of anarchy

 

[LowtherCastle]

Not 10. Wait til he is out of anarchy

10t in anarchy?! Did he partial bulb-it with the Prophet? Would a Proph only partial for him?

 

[Kaitzilla]

10t in anarchy?! Did he partial bulb-it with the Prophet? Would a Proph only partial for him?

A prophet will always bulb Theology complete.

Maybe natural religion/civic change affects espionage information differently since it occurred in between our turns?

 

[Kaitzilla]

So we need 100 more next turn to let our trade mission wait 1 extra turn for harbor.

I vote attack Chaco from the sea to get the money.
It gives that wandering Archer time to join that Settler and sail somewhere on a galley.
It also burns a city that is not under blockade.


I also think we should bulb Astronomy T151 and then complete it by T159.
We won't have Iron until we convert Louis to Confu I think.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Where should we put the spy?
Mound City?

Thanks to Confu religion, missions there are 25% cheaper with our holy city.

We are too broke to gift Louis 10 for Open Borders.
Any ideas?

 

[LowtherCastle]

Spy, Cahokia if anywhere. Elsewhere is extraneous.

 

[WastinTime]

We are too broke to gift Louis 10 for Open Borders.
Any ideas?

Don't we just gift tech. 10 tech is +1

What number gets pleased?

 

[Kaitzilla]

Don't we just gift tech. 10 tech is +1

What number gets pleased?

From Annoyed to Pleased is +6 Diplo minimum.
With no modifiers at all, Cautious is between -2 to +2 diplo.

I was wrong that heathen -diplo would start maxed out.
It is -2 for some reason, but will go to -3.

At least Confu missionaries are easy to make.
Drop our Spy in Cahokia and use the Caravel to take a missionary to France?

I only see 2 Hindu cities.
Does that mean 1 Confu city and we can bribe France to convert to our religion?

We should check France's cities and your formula if I can find it.

**Edit**
Louis will only adopt our religion at Pleased.
We need a spy and good luck and a bunch of to flip Louis by force to Confu.
That is the only way for us to get iron fast I think.

 

[WastinTime]

10t in anarchy?! Did he partial bulb-it with the Prophet?

He researched it earlier and abandoned it when Christianity founded

 

[Kaitzilla]

Saladin won't plot war at Pleased, so Saladin is targeting either us or Holy Roman Empire for a DOW

Here are the tech trades and diplo with Louis right now on T150.

Spoiler :

Just like Mansa, he likes to share his in trades the most!
50 on turn 1.

 

[LowtherCastle]

What about capturing his city so the other Ai gets it? Who was that? Sal? Why does he hate us?

 

[LowtherCastle]

How is our power compared to Karl and Sal?

 

[LowtherCastle]

Is Karl a land target of Sal’s?

 

[Kaitzilla]

Here is the calculations for flipping France to Confucian religion.
It costs 600 to flip an AI into our religion.
Paris has a distance penalty of 66% and we have no espionage spending bonus or penalty with France.

Influence religion is then 600*1.66 = 996 in Paris
966*0.5 for spy wait bonus = 483
483*0.6 for us having Confu holy city, Paris having Confu, and France running Hinduism = 290 to flip France to our religion and get Please relations for Iron.
Maybe a bit less if we get Open Borders trade route bonus.

I guess send our Spy Caravel to Paris starting now and put slider on France?
The Missionary can catch up later.

The odds of the spy succeeding are 82%
Death odds are 2.6% after unloading from the Caravel and then 1.1% each turn it stays in Paris with Open Borders.


I plan on trading Math to France for 50

Screenshots for flipping France to Confu

Spoiler :

France seems to have a 6th city to the northwest of Tours.

It looks like we can put the Spy in Paris T159.
A Galley -> Galleon upgrade 4E1S of Canal City can let us take 1 missionary east starting T160.
The missionary moves over to Caravel T162 and tries to spread Confu T164.

Try to flip Louis to Confucianism on T164.

The odds of success feel like 75% for the Spy and ?? for the Missionary.
I'm not sure if we should send a 2nd spy and a 2nd missionary.
I also am not sure how we can get 290 in 14 turns.
Trade Route bonus or spending bonus would help.
I guess work a spy specialist anywhere possible.

 

[WastinTime]

Did anyone mention Lou has Drama?
Is there any reason we're not trading Sal for gold and +4 relations? Get back to Cautious.

Sitting Bull galley has crossed to the other side and is now 2E1N of Mound City.

We can't ignore this ^^. Assume it's heading past Canal to IvoryIsland.

How to get Iron

Option 1: Lou demands something. Other than cash, not much he would demand.

Option 2: Shared war. We can't bribe him to war until Pleased.

Option 3: Spy + missionary flips religion. Multiple ways this can fail.

I know how to get us Iron on the turn we get Astronomy. and it's none of the above. (see next post)

 

[Kaitzilla]

I know how to get us Iron on the turn we get Astronomy. and it's none of the above. (see next post)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is there any reason we're not trading Sal for gold and +4 relations? Get back to Cautious.

We were not sure what religion France was running, so Bismark and Arab relations were in a holding pattern until we made contact with France.