[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

Kaitzilla · Aug 18, 2020

WastinTime said:
I just realized we could get +1 happy for the jungle preserve in Clams. I'm 1 turn from chopping it. Any votes to preserve it vs workshop?

I'd rather have one more workshop than a jungle preserve.

Clam City getting Wall Street done as fast as possible will have plenty of benefits for us.
The slavery merchant limit goes from 4 to 7 I think. (Market + Grocer)

Any slack can go into a wonder that will almost certainly be completed in the near future such as MoM.

Or maybe just build regular buildings like harbor without whipping to save anger.

WastinTime · Aug 18, 2020

PPP has changes in red. I'm sending 2 workers to Canal for the mine and then the wine-road. 'Ivory' (worker) will also road wine.
Ironically, the French are the only ones without wine.

Kaitzilla said:
The slavery merchant limit goes from 4 to 7 I think. (Market + Grocer)

We will be out of slavery looong before Wall St. is done unless there's a major shift in our plans.

WastinTime · Aug 18, 2020

Kaitzilla said:
It might be time to test if civic bribes need to be done every 10 turns or 11.
I'm pretty sure it is 10, but I'm not sure.

It's definitely 10. I'm guessing the 25/26 turn delay is where the confusion may have come from....

If we bribe him to change, we have to do it every 10 turns.
If he voluntarily changes, the counter is set to 25, and it's 26 turns for the next change.
And I think spiritual civs, the counter is 10, so it would be 11 turns.

WastinTime · Aug 18, 2020

Profit is at it's health cap so I'm starting a Harbor 170. Since we are loaded with cash now, it's not stressful. I'll whip OF into Confu Cathedral. All that was in the PPP, just no specific turn #.

We're going with the galley upgrade to galleon now.

Kaitzilla · Aug 18, 2020

WastinTime said:
Profit is at it's health cap so I'm starting a Harbor 170. Since we are loaded with cash now, it's not stressful. I'll whip OF into Confu Cathedral. All that was in the PPP, just no specific turn #.

We're going with the galley upgrade to galleon now.

Galleon in 6 turns sounds good.

The harbors will be great to have when we finally get Astro trade routes.

Sitting Bull has been crunched down to 1 city.
We've done really well with his war so far

WastinTime · Aug 18, 2020

Kaitzilla said:
In 6 turns sure

yeah, the only reason I say that now is that I have to sail to Whales instead of Profit.

Whales build queue got a makeover in the PPP. 2nd sushi exec comes later, theater earlier to start Globe.

WastinTime · Aug 18, 2020

btw, on the turn we get Astro and upgrade the galley (board execs)
We spread sushi to Berlin on the very next turn :thumbsup:

(thru Hamburg)
To get to Sal, we will have to tiptoe past HRE, not sure what the roads will be like down there, but should just be a couple turns to spread.
Paris should get sushi around T179 at the earliest (doesn't depend on Astro)

WastinTime · Aug 18, 2020

Oh, I have a nice optimization. Clams is going to do some HE.
It's stuck now building wealth -- holding OF from market until it can whip a Bank -> WallSt.

I can instead dump the current OF into HE and then spend the next 5-6 turns prepping Harbor & temple for maxOF.
We will actually get more into Wall St. this way and double the wealth :thumbsup:

edit: crap, no barracks
edit2: I'm still gonna do the barracks + HE. it's a gain.

WastinTime · Aug 18, 2020

resuming in a few minutes.

WastinTime · Aug 18, 2020

(bump)
Turnset Report Part II 166-17?
Part I
PPP

166

SB longbow in Cahokia trap...
Naked Musket 86%. Win. 6.1 health and 2xp
Perfect timing for both muskets to head to Mound City. One trailing Musket covers the Rice.

Bismarck gets Engineering (cus he's researching that), PPress, and Banking.
reminder: T179: - Bribe Bismarck into a civic so he can't take Merc.
Hoping for Replaceable Parts

167

Bis picks Music (7)
Peter's Astro goes to (10) :mad:

Charley gets a GG.
CowCity gets a forest! the only forest it had left (3rd ring) spawns one in the....4th ring.

Caravel 80% kills yet another Trireme.

Gift Bismarck Music to get him to pick RP. We just keep doing this right? but stop if it's a big tech like GunPowder or Astro?

168

Bismarck picks Compass
Bismarck gets Compass

SB whips a Tri and builds a Tri in Cahokia (still size 4) Where are these hammers coming from?

Peter Astro (8)

-179gpt

169

Bismarck picks Optics

We unload at Snaketown and it's 1 Dog :lol:

Bombard MoundCity down to 8%

Bleeding slowed: -132gpt

SB Tri's both could have attacked but just stacked up next to us....where 'us' is the galley that just dropped off the cats + Tri (blockade) + 2 slightly injured Caravels

Bismarck gets Optics

170

Bismark picks Replaceable Parts!
(25 turns) Now we just need him Friendly by then.

Mound City
whips a 3rd longbow down to size 1.

Bombard to 0%
Odds jump to 57% with our fanciest C2-cover Musket vs our C1-cover.

Spoiler Battles :

Snaketown
Worker ran into the city.
96%+ win
58 :gold:

7

pillage Ivory

Peter Astro (6)

171
Attempt to halt progress on Steel: 0% (6 turns)

Astro (4) :thumbsup:

Cahokia starves down to 3 (finally)
But somehow has 34 :hammers:

already

2 SB triremes attack! Our caravels should prevail...

Spoiler :

I'm going to send the non-healer Caravel to France now with a sushi exec (179 spread).
There's no reason to heal him.

:xmastree:

Clams get a new Xmas tree at Clams-1E, spawned from the preserve. +1 health!

172
wrapping this up and handing off soon...

Peter Astro(3)
Bismarck RepParts(20) :hug:

down from 24

Louis completes the AP in Hindu

Peter has 100 :gold:

coincidence?

Cahokia builds a 3rd longbow and shrinks to size 2. He could have whipped that, not sure.
I suppose we should just cover every tile and get it down to size 1 and lower its hpt. Probably should release the blockade to slow hammers, then re-engage after we have the land covered.

-125gpt with some build wealth (at 100% research)
We are 1184 :gold:

doing +151gpt until Astro.
with that slider, it might pay to whip the bank now that Clams is size 10.

With SB down to 1 city, we can steal 101 :gold:

Spoiler Log :

Kaitzilla · Aug 18, 2020

I've never seen 2 Caravels wipe out 7 Triremes before. :whew:

WastinTime · Aug 18, 2020

WastinTime said:
Cahokia starves down to 3 (finally)
But somehow has 34 already

and no, he did not settle his scientist for +1 :hammers:

he starved, he didn't whip

Mitchum · Aug 18, 2020

Astro in 4 turns? Most excellent.!

SB's production rate defies the laws of Sid.

Mitchum · Aug 18, 2020

Did someone say that the AI can build an executive without Econ? I'll be interested to see how quickly (if at all) the AI spreads Sushi in their cities. I've never tried it before.

WastinTime · Aug 18, 2020

Mitchum said:
Did someone say that the AI can build an executive without Econ?

I tested. Didn't need medicine or corp. or anything as far as I could tell.
No idea either if they will ever spread it, but it will be cool to find out.

MirrorGuard · Aug 18, 2020

We will lose +1 monument happiness once getting astronomy. Harbor is also a trade route boost so no question about it. Just watch out for other health buildings in cities especially in profits. They may not have good ROI.
One way to evaluate a health in a city is like:
when a city grows beyond health limits but within happiness limits, 1f=1health, coast=2 :health:

2

, so the value of a :health:

is upper bounded by (6c–2c)/2=2c ; in profit because of Moai the upper bound is 1.5c.

using the same assumptions 2 sushi resources=1 :health:

in 6 cities=11.5cpt, assuming +1f in capital cancels out additional corp maint. The conclusion seems to be: within happiness limits, if a sushi resource costs less than 6gpt we should buy.

WastinTime · Aug 18, 2020

Last time I checked, Peter wanted 9 :gold:

for 1 clam

WastinTime · Aug 18, 2020

Thoughts on a good stopping point? I've played 10t.
Originally, I was thinking it would be when Peter picked a new tech, but that got delayed.
I did most/all of T171. Should I just roll to 172 and stop? or stop 171? or play until we have a good reason to stop.

Kaitzilla · Aug 18, 2020

The start of T172 should be good.

The mix of new player ambition and old player wisdom is a winning combination.

I have frequently wanted to play more than 10 turns, but team ideas after getting a few days to think is always surprising.

Maybe there is a way to scam Peter's clams that we haven't thought of yet.

Mitchum · Aug 18, 2020

I see no compelling reason to stop right now. A good stopping point is likely when Peter picks his next tech and we have traded for Astronomy.

So my vote is to continue playing if you have the time.

EDIT: xpost I'm also fine with stopping at the start of T172.

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