SGOTM2 Germany - Team Ankka

[I. Larkin]

1)Seriously now, have you had any thoughts on what our next plan should involve?
2)I think Ivan's plan for the settling/library rush is still doable but do you guys think a conquest victory might be quicker?We have the great lighthouse which gives us a huge advantage over the other continent.
3) Indians will be wiped out soon by the japs/chinese and the
4)English/Russians won't last long against our units. What do you reckon? (both of you?)

1) Edit: Hastings, (not Leeds) is a key City for our next. We should rush Harbor, Lib, and Galleys there.
2) Conquest will take 50-70 turns, (or longer, if we will conduct wars with long pauses as before). I hope domination needs only 40-50 turns.
3) Indians in Peace with Chinese. And they fight good against Japan. (I saw, the capture back Madras for example). Indians Knights (Elefants) do not need resourses for support, also they may have GP soon. Even for us it will be a nut, but we may try to capture some their Cities (after "paecfull" settelment).
4) Exactly. Better to finish them ASAP to have "hands free"

 

[mabellino]

@Ivan
I can certainly start my turns on monday, but might not be able to finish and post the turn log until tuesday. If that's ok then that's what I'll do.
Sorry if you think there's been too long a delay but I think our extended dicussions have allowed us to come up with a better and more refined plan.

Have you looked at the score submissions recently? 3 teams have now finished but we're not in last place (I estimate 3rd/4th from bottom).

Looks like I'll be delaying GOTM32 for another week! Will you be playing?

EDIT: Eeep elephants! where did they come from all of a sudden? Have we had any tech from TGL recently?

 

[I. Larkin]

@Ivan
1) I can certainly start my turns on monday, but might not be able to finish and post the turn log until tuesday. If that's ok then that's what I'll do.
2) Sorry if you think there's been too long a delay but I think our extended dicussions have allowed us to come up with a better and more refined plan.

3)Have you looked at the score submissions recently? 3 teams have now finished but we're not in last place (I estimate 3rd/4th from bottom).

4) Looks like I'll be delaying GOTM32 for another week! Will you be playing?

5) EDIT: Eeep elephants! where did they come from all of a sudden? Have we had any tech from TGL recently?

1) OK, if I will see tomorrow before UK midnight msg from you or King Alex "playing now" I will not play. Please, sort out who will play first.
2) Discussion might be more intensive... I hoped you will run mapstat but finally instal and run it myself.
3)Good. I wonder why Atkos so parallel to us? They play AW...
4)No. I don't like low difficulty levels and still can't instal software they requied...
5)Elefants come from Chivalry. Indians got this tech first. We got Chiv from India as a result of false Peace Treaty. We did not get any from TGL. I think computer sipmly wait, when we research something ourselfs. Just the same turn we discover Invention India and China make a peace and exchange Chiv-Invention.

 

[I. Larkin]

Sorry, mixed Leeds and Hastings some posts ago.
Here is a plan how settele in India. Rush Settler in Liverpool, (may be even at preturn) and sail to red dot 1 (Japanise culture border will not expand, but If India capture Bengal back, then to red dot 2) I think 2 also resonable to settle after 1. We will think about overseas war later.

 

[mabellino]

sounds good to me. I assume settler plus pikes for each galley?
As for the mapstat thing, I did run it but only after you had! That's how I managed to work out how many tiles we needed.

Akots are playing AW? Well we have been at war for most of the same time frame... perhaps that will explain it. They will not have had the same chance to build up their military as we had and that will offset the earlier gaining of territory.

I'll be playing in 7 hours or so. I'll post a quick update before I go to bed, then if I'm not finished I'll play the rest tomorrow night.

 

[I. Larkin]

sounds good to me. I assume settler plus pikes for each galley?

Or Knight instead of Pick.
Disband Pick in Liverpool and rush settler. Send knight or pick to cover and Galley to pick up...

 

[mabellino]

playing now

 

[I. Larkin]

Good Luck!

 

[mabellino]

I've played 5 turns, here's a quick summary:
Cultural expansions and 1 new city mean we now have 1185 tiles and are 456 away from domination. There are 449 unclaimed tiles left , obviously we'll need all of these and 7 from another civ! Scratch that, just realised that the english and russian tiles will give us enough!

Troops are almost in position to destroy Russia, next turn I'll declare.
I've increased the tech rate but we're still pulling in enough cash to be able to rush 2 libs and a unit each turn.
Almost all cities now have libs, those building temples ahve been changed to other things.
Our military is strong against everyone except the japanese (average).
Settlers are ready to build first cities on new continent, just waiting for a knight escort.

I'll finish tomorrow night and post a full turn log then.

Night folks

 

[mabellino]

Ok I've finished playing now.

Quick summary:
Score 1487, russians and english are both toast, loads of libraries rushed and borders have expanded rapidly.

Minimap:

I can post a detailed turn log if you wish? let me know and it will be done!

here's the save
Mapstat says 332 tiles to domination, 46 pop required.

 

[I. Larkin]

Ok I've finished playing now.

Quick summary:
Score 1487, russians and english are both toast, loads of libraries rushed and borders have expanded rapidly.

I can post a detailed turn log if you wish? let me know and it will be done!
Mapstat says 332 tiles to domination, 46 pop required.

Detailed turnlog not nessary, just summary of each turns:
Like destroy Russians this year, destroy English this year, rushed Libs here and there... Could you tell me why you bring settler to India so late? Why you did not rush settler in Liverpool as I recomended? Or you did? Why you did not settle in between Leeds Coventry? (It's ok, we can do it later.) We also needs Libs in New Bremen amd New Leipzig ASAP. This is 37 tiles Cities!! I recomend to low research for 20% for 1 turn and rush it next turn.

 

[I. Larkin]

King Alex, who will play next? You or me? I think me, as you skip, and you will play after me. Anyway, I got save.

 

[I. Larkin]

Here is how we can settle far -far North-West. I wonder will single tiles "culture Islands" (egg-yellow circles) glue in or will remain?

 

[King Alexander]

Good turns mabellino. Ivan, good luck. I'll play after you.

 

[mabellino]

1. Could you tell me why you bring settler to India so late? Why you did not rush settler in Liverpool as I recomended? Or you did?
2.Why you did not settle in between Leeds Coventry? (It's ok, we can do it later.)
3.We also needs Libs in New Bremen amd New Leipzig ASAP. This is 37 tiles Cities!!
4. I recomend to low research for 20% for 1 turn and rush it next turn.

1.
I couldn't rush a settler on the pre turn as we didn't have enough money so it was rushed on my turn 1. Hastings had a lib and needed a harbour (as we discussed earlier) to build vet galleys so it got a harbour instead. My priority was to get libs rushed in cities without them and I kept running out of cash before a galley could be rushed in Hastings. The settler was in hastings awaiting transport and an escort and set off on it's epic journey on turn 6. (920AD).

2. Guess I forgot about this one! I did find a settler fortified in the open near Konigsberg on around turn 6 and sent him to one of our port towns in the far north west (to head for the island!)

3. I thought they already had them? hmmm must have overlooked that one too

4. We learnt gunpowder on turn 9 with chemistry in 6 turns @39gpt and lux tax at 30%. WW was a real problem in the last few turns but should go back to normal on the next turn (as we're no longer at war)
We will get Theology from TGL next turn.

I'll post a shortened turn log to explain some of my decisions....

 

[mabellino]

Turn 0 860AD

Change production in hastings to harbour, Liverpool to settler (not enough gold to rush) and change cities building temples to more useful items as we decided we no longer needed them. (eg knights and marketplaces)
I spend a while hunting for our FP and change "Canterbury" to "FP_Canterbury" to help with future identification.
Notice a few cities getting edgy so increase lux slider to 20%
Science to 20% to give GP in 9t @ +236 per turn.

Turn 1 870AD
Culture expansion of around 10 cities
Palace improvement
Rush harbour in Hastings, settle New Salzburg.
Send units to battle points discussed earlier

Turn 2 880AD
York builds lib ->marketplace
3 more cultural expansions
Rush 2 libs, watch units on "go to orders", get lazy workers to build roads/irrigation as needed. We have loads of workers!

Turn 3 890AD
More cultural expansion, rush 2 more libs

Turn 4 900AD
Decide Berlin could use a temple to help with happiness and culture.
4 more cultural expansions.
Rush a few more libraries. Units almost in position to begin war.

Turn 5 910AD
2 more cultural expansions.
2 settlers now in hastings awaiting escort.

IBT
Japan and India make peace
Russia demands we move our troops

Turn 6 920AD
3 more cultural expansions, 2 libraries rushed.

Declare war on russia
Attack RUS elite archer with vet knight, win lose 2hp
Attack Krasnoyarsk (elite spear) with vet knight, win promotes to elite, lose 2hp
Reg spear vs vet knight, win lose 2hp
Capture KRASNOYARSK, 1 resistor ->lib

Attack YAKUTSK
elite spear vs vet knigh, lose but do 3hp damge
reg spear vs elite knight, win, lose 1hp
reg spear vs vet knight, win but redlined
elite 3/5 spear vs vet 3/4 knight, win -no damage
Capture city, no resistors ->lib

Attack ODESSA
reg spear vs elite knight, win lose 1hp
Capture city, no resistors -> lib

RUS settler/spear near hamburg, knight to attack next turn

Turn 7 930AD
Kiev, Minsk, Sevastopol and Svedlorsk riot
English are building sistine chapel (in their one and only town! ha ha ha!)
Chinese have gunpowder.

Attack russian reg spear with vet knight, killed and spear promotes (ah well it was on a mountain!)
Attack russian vet archer with elite horseman, win but lose 2hp
More cultural expansions and libs rushed.
Indian borders have expanded but proposed city site still available, galley is on the way.

Turn 8 940AD
Adjust sliders to get GP in 1 turn @10%sci +231gpt
Oxford's borders expand
Explore northern island, larger than I thought.
Longbowman in position to wipe out russians. Troops amassing near Oxford to take out English.

IBT
Barb galley kills ours grrr!

Turn 9 950AD
Learn gunpowder -> chemistry in 6t (+39gpt). Lux tax at 30% due to WW
We have i saltpeter connected and 4 more on our continent.
Longbowman destroys russians!

IBT
Indians ask us to remove galley

Turn 10 960AD
Palace expansion
Demand theology from english but they won't give it to us for anything.
Declare war and attack Oxford. Elite knight vs spear, wins no damage.
Capture OXFORD. Former english cities unhappy but should be ok next turn.
Reduce lux to 20%.
Operation disband! Disband a load of weaker troops in corrupt cities to rush build libraries etc.
Quite a few more units to disband for next player.

I've sent all our elite/vet knights to harbour cities (eg Hastings) ready to fight other continent.

Score 1487

 

[mabellino]

helloooo? is there anybody there? Where are you guys?

 

[King Alexander]

@mabellino: We're still here!!!
I'm waiting for Ivan to play, and post his suggestions.

 

[I. Larkin]

Will play soon.

 

[I. Larkin]

Here is the save. Again, game took too much human power. (Too many units to transfer). I will write turnlog later. IBT 2-3 Japan declare war and attack new City at "India". Althogh it wistand first attack I gifted it to China, make Allianse vs Japan and sign RoP with India. Also I invent very efficient way to transfer army to another continent No ship caining! It against RCB rules. Each galley goes 4 turns anticlockwise and 4 turns clockwise. You see result... Last turn Samurais apperar, otherwise Japan would be a toast. Knight tipically lost when attack Samurai. I think it is better to hold army at the position where it is. It is important to hold this chock point. (Fortify army, do not attack). Knights may capture Hyberbad until Cavs arrive at India. (We will have MT next turn, Upgrade Knights in Hastings...).
Dear Alex, could you look at save and decide what to do and ask what is unclear. It is easer to explain things if somebody ask...
Regards, Ivan.