Neither of the two we know have Writing and Zulu even lack Alphabet.dmanakho said:
Don't sell yourself short Dman, it is a long time since we played SGOTM3...dmanakho said:Since i am probably the weakest link in this team i appreciate as many suggestions as you can give me.
, I think we should make our capital a combi factory soon. Personally I would make 3 more settlers first, but it matters less now than it did 20 turns ago, so Ill leave it to the next player. The warriors we build there can garison Uskadar to prevent flips. 
On a small map we really need the area where Uskudar is located. Without a culture building it will eventually flip. So I say finish the Temple. With one or two forests cut it will be finished in no time. The grassland forest might give us a BG too plus the BG on the northern tip of our island will become available for Uskudar.Offa said:
No, as I mentioned in the After Action notes, the Incense will be connected next turn.Offa said:
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). I guess i can't suggest that in sgotm though It is OK that you disagree with me on the Temple but I would appreciate if you use facts you can substantiate when arguing against it. "A temple will take at least 19 turns." is not true and I guess you know it since you are so good at MMing. It would actually take 11 turns, 3 turns to irrigate the plains, 1 turn to move to the first forest, cut that forest is another 3 turns, then move to the next forest(grassland) and cut that for a total of 11 turns. U will produce 2 shields while at size 1 and 3 at size 2 so before the first forest is cut and U after has reached size 2 one turn will require a citizen to work the forest instead of the plains for 4 shields to be added to production. U would gain one known BG and another grassland under the forest we cut so there is something to gain from the temple apart from lowering flip chances.WackenOpenAir said:
) instances of disagreement with him in the first SGOTMs we played and I did try to MM his turnsets a bit too much but I believe he is on an equal standing with the rest of us.
No need to apologise for the MM issue. We all play Civ in different ways and the team is newly formed so we have a bit of trial and error to move through before we all know each other and our strengths and weaknesses. I just wanted to avoid any animosity to have room to grow over time because we fail to address any differences in our view on Civ and how to play it. This was the first turn set I have played with you on the same team. Had we played on the same team in an earlier game I am sure you would not have interpreted the issue with the "cow" as proof I fail to pay attention. I did a mistake there but it was not because I failed to see it but because I forgot to make the transfer of the citizen from the plains cow after the first turn. When I founded Iznik the plains cow showed as giving two shields. And since 7 turns on the grassland cow would bring 21 food the first turn would use the plains and then I would move the citizen to the grassland. When I opened the screen ater the first turn I observed it had shrunk to 1 shield from the plains and must have closed the screen without moving the citizen to the grassland cow. Am I disappointed in my mistake? Of course I am, I would expect the same level of commitment to detail from my own turns as I do from everyone else. I normally catch these things and am a rather "slow" player due to MMing issues. I tend to check every location each turn to find ways of shaving a turn off from a build of growth. This mistake cost us two turns!!! Angry? Yes I am, every turn counts especially in the early stages of the game.WackenOpenAir said:
Again I agree with you, please do not interpret my point of view as directed vs. the detail of your suggestions. It is often better to go down into nitty gritty details to avoid misunderstandings. I would prefer you continue with the detailed ideas. I just wanted us to agree on it being part of the planning process and not instructions to be adherd to. When I read some of the other teams treads in previous games I sometime find this practice of giving players detailed instructions and if the team is in agreement with having such a system, let them. I just want us to make our own set of "rules" so we avoid unnecessary friction within the team. It will probably take a few turnsets before we all know each other and have learnt about our differences. If we can make that period as short as possible I believe we have everything to gain from it. That is why I started this discussion.WackenOpenAir said:
Uscudar is at 28% according to CA2. I have calculated it as losing 1 shield at both size 1 and 2, gross production 3 shields at size 1 and 4 at size 2. You should know I love MMing and planning...WackenOpenAir said:
Yet again I agree with you I tend to focus on Settlers and Workers too in the opening stages. It is just that I find using 18 shields to be a bit much. I am not too keen on the Temple anymore would rather we go for the Barracks now.WackenOpenAir said:
There you see I can and will make detailed ideas known to the team too.WackenOpenAir said:
If we are not willing to part with Writing we actually have nothing to trade with. I am confident they are at par with Zulus at the moment being close neighbours.WackenOpenAir said:
The best place is probably Izmit (33% corruption) or Edrine (23%). I can go with either we just need to make a decision.WackenOpenAir said:
No, no, no, it is not about to riot. Please do not MM this or use lux slider. As I said in my turn report the worker on the incense hill will finish the road next turn.Xevious said:
I would say we have 4 workers since Bursa will produce one at the start of Dmans turnset. The two workers from Bursa area would do the trick, as I have tried to put forward as an idea in a previous post about preparing Istanbul for a combo factory. ANd Bursa itself will produce Workers to make up for letting two of them move to Istanbul after mining the BG at Edrine.Xevious said:
Trying to have an AI build the GL in our backyard is a thought. It is however very much depending on luck. We do need it either built by us or captured. I almost never build it in a game but would really consider it in this game. OTOH you have a very good point as this is a small map so wherever it is built it would be (hopefully) easy to capture it.Xevious said:
I would like us to wait until we have a few more military units so we can deal with potential barbarians appearing.Xevious said:
Yes! But delay it one or two turns to allow the Warrior being built in Iznik? to proceed it in case of Barbarians. Or send the first Settler down to the river south of Bursa and the Settler built in 4 turns to the NW, this will only delay it by two turns since we need the Warrior prior to moving into the area.Xevious said:
