Shakespeare's play, Macbeth

[Flying Pig]

I'm not sure that 'lordly' and 'Lord's' are quite synonymous, actually - I'd certainly say that 'divine' or 'heavenly' are closer to 'the Lord's' than 'lordly'. Compare 'the saint's lordly voice' with 'the saint's heavenly voice': I think the latter is closer to 'the saint's voice, which came from the Lord'.

 

[Borachio]

Lordian Guard.

 

[Arakhor]

I'd agree with that, FP, but I chose "lordly one" because it's a lot less clumsy than saying "he who is of the Lord".

Borachio, a band name means absolutely nothing in this day and age.

 

[Borachio]

I agree. But I googled "Lordian" and that was the only thing that came up. Supporting your suggestion that it isn't a "proper" English word.

 

[Kyriakos]

I agree. But I googled "Lordian" and that was the only thing that came up. Supporting your suggestion that it isn't a "proper" English word.

Googl't.

 

[Borachio]

Have at thee, sirrah!

 

[onejayhawk]

Have at thee, sirrah!

"...and damned be him that first cries, 'Hold. Enough.'"

Needed to get this back on topic.

J

 

[GreekAnalyzer]

Othello is my personal favorite Shakespeare play.

 

[Borachio]

Othello's got a very similiar vibe to Macbeth, imo. Both feature men behaving badly.

 

[Triewd]

I have to admit I have alot of respect for the position of Macbeth I do relate to him more than is healthy.

 

[Flying Pig]

"...and damned be him that first cries, 'Hold. Enough.'"

Needed to get this back on topic.

J

I think that's one of the most momentous lines in Shakespeare.

 

[Kyriakos]

I think that's one of the most momentous lines in Shakespeare.

Here's another, More potent than the first [...]

 

[Borachio]

I have to admit I have alot of respect for the position of Macbeth I do relate to him more than is healthy.

So. You take notice of "clairvoyant" old women and your ambitious wife; and cheerfully murder your monarch; and arrange for your best friend to be killed; because you fancy a go at being king?

I agree that this is less than healthy.

 

[onejayhawk]

Here's another, More potent than the first [...]

'tis not so deep as a well, nor so wide as a church-door; but 'tis enough,'twill serve.

J

 

[Triewd]

So. You take notice of "clairvoyant" old women and your ambitious wife; and cheerfully murder your monarch; and arrange for your best friend to be killed; because you fancy a go at being king?

I agree that this is less than healthy.

When he realized who was facing him he would not kill him until goaded into it when he cried "damned be he who cries hold"

One of my favorite lines that little scene says everything about his virtue and vices.

 

[Flying Pig]

That's not it, at all. Macbeth does not and cannot kill Macduff; the reverse happens. Macbeth tries to avoid the fight, which will end in his own certain death, until goaded by the prospect of being put on show in a cage, where people will jeer at him. At that point he turns, and resolves to die an honourable death (before my body/I throw my warlike shield - lay on, Macduff) and so to redeem himself. The play's status as a tragedy - as distinct from a melodrama - hinges on that line.

 

[Triewd]

That's not it, at all. Macbeth does not and cannot kill Macduff; the reverse happens. Macbeth tries to avoid the fight, which will end in his own certain death, until goaded by the prospect of being put on show in a cage, where people will jeer at him. At that point he turns, and resolves to die an honourable death (before my body/I throw my warlike shield - lay on, Macduff) and so to redeem himself. The play's status as a tragedy - as distinct from a melodrama - hinges on that line.

I should have said "try" of course he does not kill Macduff Macduff kills him.

There is a question does he make any real effort to kill Macduff? in some interpretations yes. Others no.

 

[Kaitzilla]

MACBETHHHHHHHH!!!!!


Link to video.

0:50 is creepy has hell
5:00 I have no idea what's going on

 

[onejayhawk]

There is no worse crime in Shakespeare than regicide. Everyone that does it is ruined and then dies, often badly. Funny that.

J

 

[NovaKart]

I read it several years ago and I remember being surprised at how abruptly it ended. I even thought my book might have been missing a page or something.