Don't know about BNW, but I always suspected that the AI was programmed to go after the player's units first *if they were in the vicinity*. Likewise, I've seen plenty of settlers captured by barbs. So perhaps if you keep your units away from the barbs, they'll go after the AI units. You won't see this, of course.
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Don't know about BNW, but I always suspected that the AI was programmed to go after the player's units first *if they were in the vicinity*. Likewise, I've seen plenty of settlers captured by barbs. So perhaps if you keep your units away from the barbs, they'll go after the AI units. You won't see this, of course.
Definitely going to be a lot of playing before I feel comfortable with all the new mechanics and how even the small changes to old mechanics affect the game now. Lots of replayability that is for sure. I play on King and for me on that level its nice that there are so many more decisions to make now. I'm having to force myself to slow down and actually think about things.
Yngvi
Chevalier du Tastevin
Poland, Emperor, Huge, Epic, Continents
A few random observations on the cusp of the Renaissance:
Everybody on my continent is going tall (myself, Maria, Bismarck, Dandolo, Nappy). Much of my continent is still a wild barbarian wonderland.
The Piety tree makes it far easier for the player to jump into the religion game. I had the second Pantheon, and the first Religion and Enhancement. Oddly, Venice is really gunning for religion: chose Piety, bee-lined Reformation, continent crawling with missionaries and inquisitors.
The AIs seem to be teching quite quickly; it's taken a while for me to catch up.
Bismarck is a perfect gentleman. When I linked him to a trade route, he offered a DoF; I accepted, not having the heart to tell him I only did it to sponge his science.
All the AIs are very eager for wonders; nobody is standing by allowing one AI to be a wonder-spammer.
Gold is a bit tricky, but a couple good routes really help.
A barb galley attacked my allied CS. It failed, but they really tried to take the city!
Lake Victoria is gorgeous.
A few random observations on the cusp of the Renaissance:
Everybody on my continent is going tall (myself, Maria, Bismarck, Dandolo, Nappy). Much of my continent is still a wild barbarian wonderland.
The Piety tree makes it far easier for the player to jump into the religion game. I had the second Pantheon, and the first Religion and Enhancement. Oddly, Venice is really gunning for religion: chose Piety, bee-lined Reformation, continent crawling with missionaries and inquisitors.
The AIs seem to be teching quite quickly; it's taken a while for me to catch up.
Bismarck is a perfect gentleman. When I linked him to a trade route, he offered a DoF; I accepted, not having the heart to tell him I only did it to sponge his science.
All the AIs are very eager for wonders; nobody is standing by allowing one AI to be a wonder-spammer.
Gold is a bit tricky, but a couple good routes really help.
A barb galley attacked my allied CS. It failed, but they really tried to take the city!
Lake Victoria is gorgeous.
BluegrassGeek
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I definitely had some hard choices with regards to build order. How exactly do I fit that Caravan in there? Also, with the Shoshone, since they don't have a warrior to start with, I need to keep my Bowfinder close at hand to defend said caravan, rather than gallivanting off to explore and hopefully find ruins on the far side of the continent.
And I had some issues with selecting techs and policies. I was inclined to use the Shoshone UA to its maximum, so I went Liberty, but the barbarians were thick, so Honor was looking better, and I had money issues, so Tradition looked good too.
And I had some issues with selecting techs and policies. I was inclined to use the Shoshone UA to its maximum, so I went Liberty, but the barbarians were thick, so Honor was looking better, and I had money issues, so Tradition looked good too.
BluegrassGeek
Warlord
I changed Steam to F11. Very few games put anything useful (if at all) on F11.
TheMarshmallowBear
Benelovent Chieftain of the Ursu Kingdom
My first experience seems to be that of listetnign to the music of the leaders before the game unlocks worldwide 
Starting as Portugal next to Zulu, my biggest problem was picking which side of the tech tree to work on. Picking policies is also tough. Partly because I'm just so giddy (artifacts! great works! reformation!) and partly because they've made a nice bunch of relatively equal branches.
My first experience seems to be that of listetnign to the music of the leaders before the game unlocks worldwide
Sucks you guys have to wait. If I get elected dictator of the world
that will be my second decree. Release dates the same world wide.I'm in 1870 now and I started as Shoshone at launch late last night. Zulu and Assyria were right above me, Arabia some distance south. Anyway Assyria and Zulu took turns declaring on me no matter how friendly we were. Really screwed up my economy. Ended up taking 2 Zulu cities and while he was recovering Assyria wiped him out. Venice got taken out immediately by France. Anyway, world congress is now voting on making my religion the world religion but the vote is close.
PhilBowles
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I still think that there's much more potential for mixing and matching as needed; there's no particular need to rush down one full tree since that's not a victory condition.
Piety is very good for early religion, and the opener and double faith are something most players not completely ignoring religion will value. The rest really requires you to focus specifically on religion, but it gives you a free GP often before non-pious civs can reach 200 naturally (and certainly before they can build Hagia Sophia), and you get to unlock Djenne. It's a very tightly focused tree, but extremely good for the right playstyle (and if you luck out with Religious Tolerance and have a neighbour with a complementary pantheon).
KrikkitTwo
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Is it possible to get Reformation policy before founding a religion, and then get the reformation belief when you do found a religion?
ferretbacon
Obsessor
Just finished my first game:
Pangaea, large (large is 8 default, right?) overstuffed to 10 civs, standard speed, prince difficulty.
I went with France and put the nine new civs in (sort of as a meet and greet), and ended up playing the whole way through. Won a cultural victory as France pretty late in the game (Brazil put up quite the resistance to my blue jeans and pop music).
Got to say...
-France is a completely different civilization. I like it more, though I have to say that if you miss crucial buildings in the capital (the Louvre (man, curating that place was a nightmare) or something similar), their UA may be a bit too restrictive. Then again, if you do hit the buildings and wonders you need, it may be a tad OP.
-Social policies are a lot easier to get. Mind you, I was raking in culture by the late game with my stable of Great works and abundant Chateaus, but I had far surpassed the old five full tree mark. By the end, I had completely unlocked Tradition, Patronage, Aesthetics, Commerce, Rationalism, the opener for Exploration (I was nearly completely landlocked, got it for the indispensable Louvre), and had enough Ideologies unlocked for two tier three tenets.
-The AI seems to be a lot more loyal and less psychotic if there are enough positive modifiers. The new ideologies create voting and diplomatic blocs that I really enjoyed. Venice and Morocco shared Freedom with me, and I could count on them for back up both in and out of the World Congress.
-Speaking of the new diplomacy options, I love it... backroom deals, choosing between a spy and a diplomat... it adds a whole new facet to the game where diplomacy and espionage interact and deepen both.
Anyway, my game was definitely a positive experience. Portugal got wiped out by the Zulu pretty early, the Shoshone hosted the World Congress the entire game (though in the last century I had finally managed to secure more votes than them and would have likely supplanted them as the host nation the next time it came up to vote), Venice did surprisingly well in the hands of the AI (I'd say he was in the top 3 or 4 civs out of 10), and the Polish Founded, Enhanced, and Reformed Catholicism almost before any other religion was founded.
Trying to decide now what civ to play next... thinking I'll decrease the map size and number of civs a bit, randomize my opponents, and do continents or Earth for some more coast to play with.
Pangaea, large (large is 8 default, right?) overstuffed to 10 civs, standard speed, prince difficulty.
I went with France and put the nine new civs in (sort of as a meet and greet), and ended up playing the whole way through. Won a cultural victory as France pretty late in the game (Brazil put up quite the resistance to my blue jeans and pop music).
Got to say...
-France is a completely different civilization. I like it more, though I have to say that if you miss crucial buildings in the capital (the Louvre (man, curating that place was a nightmare) or something similar), their UA may be a bit too restrictive. Then again, if you do hit the buildings and wonders you need, it may be a tad OP.
-Social policies are a lot easier to get. Mind you, I was raking in culture by the late game with my stable of Great works and abundant Chateaus, but I had far surpassed the old five full tree mark. By the end, I had completely unlocked Tradition, Patronage, Aesthetics, Commerce, Rationalism, the opener for Exploration (I was nearly completely landlocked, got it for the indispensable Louvre), and had enough Ideologies unlocked for two tier three tenets.
-The AI seems to be a lot more loyal and less psychotic if there are enough positive modifiers. The new ideologies create voting and diplomatic blocs that I really enjoyed. Venice and Morocco shared Freedom with me, and I could count on them for back up both in and out of the World Congress.
-Speaking of the new diplomacy options, I love it... backroom deals, choosing between a spy and a diplomat... it adds a whole new facet to the game where diplomacy and espionage interact and deepen both.
Anyway, my game was definitely a positive experience. Portugal got wiped out by the Zulu pretty early, the Shoshone hosted the World Congress the entire game (though in the last century I had finally managed to secure more votes than them and would have likely supplanted them as the host nation the next time it came up to vote), Venice did surprisingly well in the hands of the AI (I'd say he was in the top 3 or 4 civs out of 10), and the Polish Founded, Enhanced, and Reformed Catholicism almost before any other religion was founded.
Trying to decide now what civ to play next... thinking I'll decrease the map size and number of civs a bit, randomize my opponents, and do continents or Earth for some more coast to play with.
EricTheGreat12
King
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Realy? An inland sea is like the med. I'd use it as a safe internal route for production
Txurce
Deity
They're not OP. They can get off to a fast start, but then have little else going for them the rest of the game except good defense. But they are a lot of fun.
PhilBowles
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Yes. I did exactly this, cursing myself when the belief didn't show up in the religion selections when I did found it, only a couple of turns later. However, an icon letting me add a reformation belief appeared the following turn.
InsanelyApple
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Loaded up a game with Portugal. Needless to say, I was thrilled.
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Isolation with only 1 city-state to trade with? You won't be loving it for long.
PhilBowles
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Same in my game. Venice was very aggressive in the religion game, must have had the Grand Temple (over 50 pressure in the capital - must be nice always getting to build NWs with only one city, however big your empire) and hoarded every religion wonder (beat me to Borodbodur which I wanted for thematic reasons, even though Yogyakarta wasn't in my city list). Prophets and missionaries were going everywhere; I rarely use Inquisitors, but I eventually had to park one in every city the Venetians had access to (not removing the religion, of course, just suppressing it - I still get the candi bonus that way).
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