Should marijuana be legalized for recreational use? (Part 2)

[tycoonist]

i once had weed pancakes... basically, we tried to make cannibutter, but kinda failed as we got impatient. so we just spread what we had on pancakes. i think it worked, but to be honest i dont really know. i was pretty out of it already, i had just puked in my friends toilet and stuff. high times...

 

[Munch]

From what I hear edibles are much more intense than smoking, and the effects last longer.

I've only had cake once, but that's pretty much how it goes. Unless you make it yourself, it's hard to tell how much is in any quantity, and it's easy (easy for me at least, I was hungry) to eat a lot in one go and really feel ultra-zombified about an hour later.

 

[BasketCase]

No-one's ever said it could cure all of society's ills, except you of course. That is what we call a strawman.

Lots of people (including lots of you right here in CFC) have claimed that weed fights cancer; that it eliminates suffering from chemotherapy, multiple schlerosis, chronic arthritis, and many other diseases (and that it is the ONLY known drug to do so, which is a crock); that it would provide lots of tax revenue (which I find particularly laughable, seeing as how it's CONSERVATIVES who are supposed to be motivated by profit); and that it can be used to make better rope and clothing than anything else on the planet.

That is what we call "catching Sharwood telling a bald-faced lie". Well, that's what I call it.

 

[Elta]

Lots of people (including lots of you right here in CFC) have claimed that weed fights cancer; that it eliminates suffering from chemotherapy, multiple schlerosis, chronic arthritis, and many other diseases (and that it is the ONLY known drug to do so, which is a crock); that it would provide lots of tax revenue (which I find particularly laughable, seeing as how it's CONSERVATIVES who are supposed to be motivated by profit); and that it can be used to make better rope and clothing than anything else on the planet.

That is what we call "catching Sharwood telling a bald-faced lie". Well, that's what I call it.

It is not the only one to do so. It is however the only non opiate based one.

You can't seriously sit there and tell me that popping oxycotton is better for you than smoking a joint.


Everyone who has smoked a joint before after a workout with sore muscles knows that it instantly heals you. And you can still function for the rest of the day. While taking opiates that achieve the same effect is extremely dangerous and leaves you all f-ed up. You have no idea what it is like to have cancer and be on chemo. And for someone to seriously think that it is better for the old and the sick to be popping pills all the time, I don't know I simply can't grasp how stupid that is.




And as far as textiles or paper making goes, I know damn well you have never been involved in either of these areas.

 

[Narz]

It's funny how you put something in a pill (even something similar to far harder drugs than weed) and prop it up with a few sketchy studies and it will be accepted without question or a drop of independent research by many of the same folks who will do anything they can to undermine any positive effects ever attributed to MJ.

Isolated chemical compounds are going to be more severe, addictive & have more side effects than non-isolated natural compounds. It's like trying to live on vitamin pills & protein drinks vs. actual food.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Indeed, no-one has claimed MJ is a wonder drug but it beats the crap out of other drugs when it comes to side effects.

But carry on criminalising old people who discovered that MJ relieves their pain. Force them take legal smack instead or else bang them up.

 

[Narz]

Indeed, no-one has claimed MJ is a wonder drug but it beats the crap out of other drugs when it comes to side effects.

But carry on criminalising old people who discovered that MJ relieves their pain. Force them take legal smack instead or else bang them up.

It's all about money. The drug companies are clearly intimidated & the illegal drug dealers would be out of business. Billions of dollars worth of crime money would instead be pouring legally into the US economy.

Thousands of MJ Al Capone's would be forced instead to earn an honest living (or a more risky & less lucrative life of crime).

 

[ParadigmShifter]

In a way, it's because MJ is so cheap that the pharm companies try and suppress it, or else "refine" it so they can patent it and sell it at ridiculous profits.

 

[BasketCase]

Everyone who has smoked a joint before after a workout with sore muscles knows that it instantly heals you.

No, it certainly does NOT. You just stop feeling the pain--but the damage is still there and DOES NOT heal. When you pump iron, you are actually damaging your muscles. During your down time, those muscles adapt; they repair themselves and rebuild themselves to deal with further pumpage.

If you go right out and work out again, without giving your muscles the needed day or two of rest, you will not get stronger. You will mess yourself up and increase your risk of injury. Don't take my word for it, go look up any decent bodybuilding web site or ask somebody at your local gym.

Pain exists for a reason: it's our body telling us that something is wrong that needs to be fixed. Marijuana doesn't fix the problem, it just makes you stop caring about the problem.

But carry on criminalising old people who discovered that MJ relieves their pain. Force them take legal smack instead or else bang them up.

There aren't enough such people in the world for me to consider this a problem. The problems inherent in legalizing weed would be a lot worse.

Everybody complains about how much damage was done during Prohibition--nobody ever mentions the vastly greater damage that resulted from the end of Prohibition. Which is now up to a quarter of a million dead people every year.

 

[BasketCase]

You have no idea what it is like to have cancer and be on chemo.

You shut your goddamn mouth.

I have a friend whose wife has ovarian cancer. I saw firsthand what the chemo did to her. I damn well do know what chemo is like. So, I will say it once more, to make sure there's no understanding:

You SHUT YOUR DAMN MOUTH.

 

[CaptainF]

Alrightey, time for Fun With Dawgphood's latest bogus link. Yes, that link made references to a bunch of studies that supposedly found no correlation between weed and people getting into fatal accidents. Well, here's what's wrong with all of those.

None of those studies specify whether weed was used just before the accident. This is EXTREMELY important. If you don't know this, the study is basically meaningless. If somebody last smoked weed a full month before having a fatal car crash, it's obvious the weed wasn't the cause (though that doesn't preclude the user from being an idiot for other reasons). And that's why I'm at the top of the heap in any weed-related argument. When searching for studies, I threw out almost all of the ones I found, because they all left out this very vital piece of info.

None of them? Really Basketcase?

Here's a gem from one of those studies in my link:

TAKING the high road may not be so dangerous after all. Ministers are set to be embarrassed by government-funded research which shows that driving under the influence of drugs makes motorists more cautious and has a limited impact on their risk of crashing.

In the study, conducted by the Transport Research Laboratory, grade A cannabis specially imported from America was given to 15 regular users. The doped-up drivers were then put through four weeks of tests on driving simulators to gauge reaction times and awareness.

That's right. The researchers gave weed to the drivers before they drove.

So...apparently, in your rush to post more drivel, you forgot to read my links, while claiming that you did.

For someone who gets his rocks off calling other people liars on this thread, this sort of dubious behaviour makes me wonder whether or not it's the pot calling the kettle black.

I only found one study anywhere that was specific about exactly when the toke was smoked--specifically, that one study examined cases where weed was smoked within three hours before a fatal car accident. And that study showed that weed made the user nine times more likely to have a fatal accident (in this grouping, one joint was about as bad for the driver as two to three drinks' worth of alcohol).

Then why don't you post it instead of runnin' yer mouth dood?

That's what the rest of us are doing...posting links, while you sit idly by and come up with one twisted rationalization after another.

 

[CaptainF]

Lots of people (including lots of you right here in CFC) have claimed that weed fights cancer; that it eliminates suffering from chemotherapy, multiple schlerosis, chronic arthritis, and many other diseases (and that it is the ONLY known drug to do so, which is a crock);

I would really like you to link me to some posts so that you can back up this BS of yours, but you probably won't so I shant get my hopes up.

But yes, marijuana is indeed a tremendously effective medicine for a wide variety of ailments. Do you really wanna debate that? Cuz that'd be a whole 'nother fail-fest, courtesy of you.

that it would provide lots of tax revenue (which I find particularly laughable, seeing as how it's CONSERVATIVES who are supposed to be motivated by profit);

You know...conservatives, many of them, are in favor of legalizing marijuana.

I don't really get what you're trying to illustrate here. That everyone who wants marijuana legalized is a liberal? That marijuana won't provide tax revenue (false) because liberals are saying it would? That all the people in favor of legalization in this thread are liberals?

Either way you slice it...it looks like very small-minded thinking to me...

and that it can be used to make better rope and clothing than anything else on the planet.

I don't know about "better" (that's rather subjective), but hemp produces much more product per acre than cotton or other competitive fibers.

 

[Narz]

You shut your goddamn mouth.

I have a friend whose wife has ovarian cancer. I saw firsthand what the chemo did to her. I damn well do know what chemo is like. So, I will say it once more, to make sure there's no understanding:

You SHUT YOUR DAMN MOUTH.

Um, that's not really the way things work around you.

Besides, he's right, YOU (personally) have no idea.

Anyway, I've never seen Elta type but if he's like most of us he doesn't do it with his mouth open.

 

[CaptainF]

No, it certainly does NOT. You just stop feeling the pain--but the damage is still there and DOES NOT heal. When you pump iron, you are actually damaging your muscles. During your down time, those muscles adapt; they repair themselves and rebuild themselves to deal with further pumpage.

If you go right out and work out again, without giving your muscles the needed day or two of rest, you will not get stronger. You will mess yourself up and increase your risk of injury. Don't take my word for it, go look up any decent bodybuilding web site or ask somebody at your local gym.

Pain exists for a reason: it's our body telling us that something is wrong that needs to be fixed. Marijuana doesn't fix the problem, it just makes you stop caring about the problem.

Talk about reading too literally!

All he was saying is that it's an effective pain-killer...which it is.

There aren't enough such people in the world for me to consider this a problem.

Yes, as long as there aren't that many people dying, they can continue to die.

Everybody complains about how much damage was done during Prohibition--nobody ever mentions the vastly greater damage that resulted from the end of Prohibition. Which is now up to a quarter of a million dead people every year.

And my alcoholic uncle was one of them, yes.

Sad that he died, morbidly drunk falling down a staircase, but you know what? He is the only one responsible. He drank himself to death, not someone else.

I'd rather my uncle be able to legally kill himself (over the course of 30 years) with alcohol, than support a system that enriches the lives of scumbags, promotes violence and crime to support an illegal industry, and greatly inflates the bureaucracy and power of the Federal Government.

I thought you "conservatives" were all about personal responsibility? Or is that sidelined when irrational paranoia enters the equation?

 

[CCRunner]

I thought you "conservatives" were all about personal responsibility? Or is that sidelined when irrational paranoia enters the equation?

Hey, don't lump all of us into the same boat. I'm not anti-marijuana. Not pro either but if you want to smoke that's up to you

 

[CaptainF]

You shut your goddamn mouth.

I have a friend whose wife has ovarian cancer. I saw firsthand what the chemo did to her. I damn well do know what chemo is like. So, I will say it once more, to make sure there's no understanding:

You SHUT YOUR DAMN MOUTH.

 

[CaptainF]

Hey, don't lump all of us into the same boat. I'm not anti-marijuana. Not pro either but if you want to smoke that's up to you

Now this I can respect.

 

[BasketCase]

None of them? Really Basketcase?

Here's a gem from one of those studies in my link:

Would you mean this one?

Much research has been conducted to address the question of driving ability under the influence of the drug. For example, a major recent study by the UK Transport Research Laboratory found that one single glass of wine impairs driving ability more than smoking a cannabis cigarette (New Scientist of 19 March 2002).

"Impairs driving ability more than smoking a joint". Meaning a joint still impairs driving ability. I explained this already, and you continue to not get it. "Safer than alcohol" does not mean "safe".

Your very own studies DO show that marijuana is bad for the driving.

Seems I'm not the one who isn't reading the material. So, if you're wondering why I'm always running my mouth, it's because there's people in here who aren't paying attention, or who are just ignoring what I write, or maybe who are out-and-out lying about stuff, and who deserve to get shouted-at.

I would really like you to link me to some posts so that you can back up this BS of yours

I have. Several times. You just don't listen.

 

[BasketCase]

Damn right, I mad. I have a right to be. I'm furious with Elta right now.

 

[Narz]

Would you mean this one?

"Impairs driving ability more than smoking a joint". Meaning a joint still impairs driving ability. I explained this already, and you continue to not get it. "Safer than alcohol" does not mean "safe".

It's just a point of reference. Listening to the radio also impairs driving ability to a small degree, shall we ban car stereos?

You're grasping at straws here Basky.

Damn right, I mad. I have a right to be. I'm furious with Elta right now.

Relax. You'll live longer.