Should Prince Harry go to Basra?

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The Army's royal dilemma
By Paul Adams
BBC defence correspondent

Prince Harry's imminent deployment to Iraq poses some critical questions for the military.

Prince Harry would be the first royal to see active service since 1982

It is hardly surprising the Ministry of Defence says the issue is under constant review.

In one sense, the calculation is a fairly simple one - would Prince Harry's presence in Maysan province involve an unacceptable level of risk - not just for him but for those serving with him?

Reports in recent days have quoted Iraqi insurgents as saying that the prince would be targeted and that his photograph was being disseminated among fighters in the south.

MoD officials say they have received similar intelligence reports.

They also point out that April has already proved one of the most deadly months for British soldiers since the end of major combat operations in 2003.

Insurgent threats

Eleven soldiers have died, including two from the Queen's Royal Lancers, who were killed in Maysan province when their Scimitar armoured reconnaissance vehicle was hit by a roadside bomb.

If the prince is not sent to Iraq, this might be seen as a propaganda coup by insurgents

As a troop commander with the Blues and Royals, Prince Harry would be expected operate in exactly the same type of vehicle, in the same province.

If insurgent threats are to be believed, does that mean that Harry's deployment could place all Scimitar units in Maysan in danger?

So in some ways, the military's decision is a simple one, based on risk assessment.

Security handover

But as British forces enter the final leg of their long and uncomfortable mission in Iraq, there are, needless to say, other factors at play.

The government wants Britain's gradual withdrawal from southern Iraq to be seen as orderly, successful and not driven by casualties.

Most agree that Prince Harry should be allowed to fulfil his ambition and serve

Perceptions surrounding this process will be crucial, for Iraqis and for the British public.

If the prince is not sent to Iraq, this might be seen as a propaganda coup by insurgents keen on speeding up Britain's departure from southern Iraq.

At a time when primary responsibility for security in Maysan has just been handed over to the Iraqis, anything that points to a deteriorating security situation there will serve to undermine Iraqi and British plans.

Public disclosure

But if he does go and is wounded, then the situation - potentially - is worse.

And what if others are wounded in a way that even appears to have something to do with his presence?

Most agree that Prince Harry should be allowed to fulfil his ambition and serve.

But as a junior officer, he also knows that his job is to go where he is told to go and do what he is told to do.

If the military's review, led by the Chief of the General Staff, Gen Sir Richard Dannatt, concludes the dangers are too great, then the prince may well find himself doing less than he wants.

Whether this will be a matter of public knowledge is hard to know.

So should Harry be allowed to fight? He clearly wants too. Is the danger of a properganda coup for insergents too great? Does it place the troops under his command at an unfair risk?

Sadly not available on their site, The Observer on sunday had a wonderful quote from a commander of the Mahadi Army about how "the hansome spoilt prince" should reconsider his options, before going on to explain that they were civilised people and would therefore let him return to his grandmother, although lamentably without his ears.

So, should the brass let him fight?
 
Yes. He signed up he should serve like any other soldier.
 
Im inclined to think that people in the region seem to think we care a site more about the prince than we do. If we send him in it will demonstrate to the impartials we care and will draw insurgents onto an area that favors us. Also even if they were to kill him the UK would go on.

The real danger I see is if he were to be captued. His uncle flew exocet decoy in the Falklands and no eyebrows were raised, but the danger was only of him being killed not captured. If he were captured the situation could become decidedly iffy. Properganda for the insergents. Public demand a couple of cities leveled on general principal, generating more insergents.

On ballence I have to say, send him in but keep him out of the cities where peple can recognise him and ambush etc. Out in the country they can try to wack him just as they would any other recon tank Lt, and he will have a bunch of men and kit to defend himself with.

The kicker as I see it is that we have said we are going to send him. If we dont then there will be a perception that we are backing down to threats. On a basic dog-psychology level this would be uacceptable and would cause us further problems in the region.
 
I don't give a toss about whether he's the prince or not, he should be treated like any other soldier.
 
Send him. There has been a pretty good record since the Zulu War of looking after royalty in the zone of combat.
 
I don't give a toss about whether he's the prince or not, he should be treated like any other soldier.
That's silly, because he's simply not like any other soldier. It isn't a question of pampering him by keeping him out of real combat, it's a question of whether Harry serving would compromise the Royal Army's strength in the field.
 
On ballence I have to say, send him in but keep him out of the cities where peple can recognise him and ambush etc. Out in the country they can try to wack him just as they would any other recon tank Lt, and he will have a bunch of men and kit to defend himself with.

That seems to make the most sense. Let him do his job, but don't make it so that he can be easily identified and picked up by anyone. Especially not the neighbors to the east...
 
That's silly, because he's simply not like any other soldier. It isn't a question of pampering him by keeping him out of real combat, it's a question of whether Harry serving would compromise the Royal Army's strength in the field.

The Army is the one institution without the title of "Royal" out of the three arms of service.
 
If hes a tank commander wont it be hard to get to him? He'll be in the tank.
 
It is a Scimitar - a light armoured reconnaisance vehicle. Not quite an MBT.
 
If hes a tank commander wont it be hard to get to him? He'll be in the tank.

New "shaped charge" (or something like that) weaponry used by the insurgents is doing a number on tanks now. I think Iran might be making them.

He would still probably be safe, but a concerted insurgent force definitely could have the means to take out tanks.
 
It is a Scimitar - a light armoured reconnaisance vehicle. Not quite an MBT.

New "shaped charge" (or something like that) weaponry used by the insurgents is doing a number on tanks now. I think Iran might be making them.

He would still probably be safe, but a concerted insurgent force definitely could have the means to take out tanks.

Both right. A Challenger 2 was taken out but a IED fot the frst time last weekend. He will not be in a Challenger 2 but a Scimitar light recon tank.
 
New "shaped charge" (or something like that) weaponry used by the insurgents is doing a number on tanks now. I think Iran might be making them.

He would still probably be safe, but a concerted insurgent force definitely could have the means to take out tanks.

The heck with that. One of the most effective insurgent IEDs is just a 105mm or 150mm artillery shell buried under the road, point up, on a remote trigger. And yes, we have lost MBTs to those.
 
That's silly, because he's simply not like any other soldier. It isn't a question of pampering him by keeping him out of real combat, it's a question of whether Harry serving would compromise the Royal Army's strength in the field.

Exactly. And to me if by bringing the prince in, you end up with more British soldiers killed, that's a bad idea.
 
He should go, not sending him would be quite stupid. Isn't it the King/Princes job to lead the troops in battle?
 
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