Should the Dems work to shutdown the Government?

[FriendlyFire]

Tax cuts for the wealthy is the entire reason republicans exist. You can't really ask them to give up on it.

But tax cuts pay for themselves ? Just like in Louisiana and Kansas
Honestly a government shutdown is a bad idea. Besides with the "deficit and fiscal" conservatives already sold themselves out, GOP will just pass a all GOP CR

 

[hobbsyoyo]

And wasn't the bush tax cut supposed to pay for itself too?

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

If they pay for themselves it really begs the question why we need to reign in spending programs.

 

[FriendlyFire]

And wasn't the bush tax cut supposed to pay for itself too?

That was Obama, Clinton and Liberals fault
By now 9-11 occurred during either Obama or Clinton, Obama order the invasion of Iraq, founded ISIS and the recession began when Obama became president. Or they will just claim Bush was a Swamp person Rino.

 

[metalhead]

If they pay for themselves it really begs the question why we need to reign in spending programs.

Money only generates economic activity when you give it to people who already have a lot of it. Everyone knows that!

 

[Broken_Erika]

I'm somewhat suprised that the Republicans in the senate didn't play music and start chanting "trickle-down trickle down trickle down" when they passed it

 

[hobbsyoyo]

If they pay for themselves it really begs the question why we need to reign in spending programs.

The thing is that they know it does not pay for itself and have lied to the public about it. How do we know that they are lying?

Well, for starters, they scaled back the tax cuts to fit beneath a deficit ceiling they set themselves. If these cuts really paid for themselves then this wouldn't be necessary. The next clue is the fact that they rushed this through before the bill could be dynamically scored - which is the type of scoring they claimed was most accurate and would show growth. They know that even the most optimistic scoring still puts this bill in the $1tn cost range so they had to rush it through.

Finally, they are already beating the drum beat that the deficit is imploding and that therefore they have to cut all non-military discretionary spending. Now if this bill paid for itself and then some as they claim, that too wouldn't be necessary. In other words pretty much everything positive the Republicans are saying about this bill are verifiable lies.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

No Chip or DACA in December official now soooooo, shut this thing down and dig in.

Anyways the spending bill will pass tomorrow though.

 

[metalhead]

McConnell went on the record today that any entitlement reform will be done in a bipartisan way.

In other words, they will not be doing entitlement reform but Paul Ryan can keep trying to imperil his majority by talking about it if he wants. I mean, considering they need 60 votes for everything now through the end of the fiscal year, this is pretty painfully obvious.

 

[Lexicus]

McConnell went on the record today that any entitlement reform will be done in a bipartisan way.

In other words, they will not be doing entitlement reform

Couldn't McConnell just be lying?

 

[metalhead]

Surely he could be, but he also knows that entitlement reform is electoral poison, and he now has to seriously worry that he could lose his majority in the midterms. Paul Ryan is an idiot ideologue on this issue and can't help but talk about it, but McConnell knows better.

As I've said, this tax bill is probably not going to have much impact one way or another on how the midterms shake out. But you start pushing entitlement reform? That's a whole different ball game.

 

[Lexicus]

Surely he could be, but he also knows that entitlement reform is electoral poison, and he now has to seriously worry that he could lose his majority in the midterms. Paul Ryan is an idiot ideologue on this issue and can't help but talk about it, but McConnell knows better.

As I've said, this tax bill is probably not going to have much impact one way or another on how the midterms shake out. But you start pushing entitlement reform? That's a whole different ball game.

I don't underestimate these snakes. If they can find a way to do "entitlement reform" that defers serious benefit cuts until after their old white voters are mostly dead, they can probably sell it to them easily enough.

 

[metalhead]

They've tried that before. Bush started pushing Social Security reform after he was elected to a second term. It didn't work out so well for him in the 2006 midterms.

Plus, they need 60 votes. Democrats couldn't possibly have less of an incentive to sign onto whatever garbage proposals the GOP might come up with.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

They don't actually have to do entitlement reform to get what they want. The tax bill will push the deficit so deep in the red it triggers automatic social spending cuts. All the Republicans have to do now is pass exemptions for military spending and they get everything they want with little additional fuss. And increasing military spending will push the deficit further and cause more social spending cuts. Win-win-win

 

[Broken_Erika]

They don't actually have to do entitlement reform to get what they want. The tax bill will push the deficit so deep in the red it triggers automatic social spending cuts. All the Republicans have to do now is pass exemptions for military spending and they get everything they want with little additional fuss. And increasing military spending will push the deficit further and cause more social spending cuts. Win-win-win

Yep.

GOP Leaders Celebrate Decisive Win Over Americans

You just know that this article isn't really satire....

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

They don't actually have to do entitlement reform to get what they want. The tax bill will push the deficit so deep in the red it triggers automatic social spending cuts. All the Republicans have to do now is pass exemptions for military spending and they get everything they want with little additional fuss. And increasing military spending will push the deficit further and cause more social spending cuts. Win-win-win

Ah, but they have already said they will waive those mandatory cuts like before! Just like they said they'd fix DACA, and Chip, and the tax cuts would pay for themselves. Hell yeah let's go 0/4.

 

[Broken_Erika]

If Trickle down doesn't fix the deficit then we obviously haven't cut the top 1%'s taxes enough!

 

[Peuri]

What you need is a revolution. Get rid of gerrymandering and first-past-the-post. That should help a bit.

 

[Perfection]

I'm somewhat suprised that the Republicans in the senate didn't play music and start chanting "trickle-down trickle down trickle down" when they passed it

But main street's still all cracked and broken

 

[metalhead]

What about us braindead slobs??