Should you report Cannibis dealing?

[Hygro]

don't accuse me of bias/ confirming my world view thanks.......

Present the alternate argument.

Tell you what, you worry about what argument you're presenting and I'll worry about mine.

 

[Triewd]

Tell you what, you worry about what argument you're presenting and I'll worry about mine.

..........No

don't accuse me of bias present an argument please you have not done so beyond fling accusations.

 

[El_Machinae]

I'm honestly quite worried about the schizophrenia and depression data when it comes to teens smoking marijuana. I'm not of the opinion that a broad criminalization helps this.

 

[Triewd]

I'm honestly quite worried about the schizophrenia and depression data when it comes to teens smoking marijuana. I'm not of the opinion that a broad criminalization helps this.

That's something that bothers me too

Although Alcohol of course causes more death, how we deal with this is not easy.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

..........No

don't accuse me of bias present an argument please you have not done so beyond fling accusations.

The "accusation" of confirmation bias wouldn't be objectionable were it not so seemingly reasonable. Rather than demand a counter argument, perhaps you could take a step back and upgrade your own argument to make it harder to dismiss.

As a general rule I can find a link to support literally any assertion that I make, even the assertions that are patently absurd.

 

[Hygro]

..........No

don't accuse me of bias present an argument please you have not done so beyond fling accusations.

It's not an accusation, it's a question. What makes you think confirmation bias isn't leading your reaction to those articles?

 

[El_Machinae]

I think there's vastly more societal destruction caused by its criminalization, since we're talking jailings, court-time, etc. The number of people protected is very low, since it's so easy to get MJ anyway.

We'd save tons of money legalizing it, and then investing in cures for depression and schizophrenia, instead of the trickle of funding it gets right now.

 

[Triewd]

I think there's vastly more societal destruction caused by its criminalization, since we're talking jailings, court-time, etc. The number of people protected is very low, since it's so easy to get MJ anyway.

We'd save tons of money legalizing it, and then investing in cures for depression and schizophrenia, instead of the trickle of funding it gets right now.

Perhaps especially when if its grown commercially it is subject to standards and those standards would reduce risks, thus costing society less.

However if cannabis causes or significantly adds to schizophrenia then we have just allowed evil.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Perhaps especially when if its grown commercially it is subject to standards and those standards would reduce risks, thus costing society less.

However if cannabis causes or significantly adds to schizophrenia then we have just allowed evil.

Bombs kill people, so we allow evil every time we pay taxes. Drawing the line at cannabis seems a bit superfluous, doesn't it?

 

[Triewd]

Bombs kill people, so we allow evil every time we pay taxes. Drawing the line at cannabis seems a bit superfluous, doesn't it?

Well I kinda can't do anything about War Tim that's what elections are for....

And if you don't pay taxes....well

You can stop your neighbour making the lobby stink/ messin it up damaging the lobby door and inviting his drug dealer friend.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Well I kinda can't do anything about War Tim that's what elections are for....

And if you don't pay taxes....well

You can stop your neighbour making the lobby stink/ messin it up damaging the lobby door and inviting his drug dealer friend.

The jump reversion from the evil of contributing to depression and schizophrenia back to the smell in the lobby does not go unremarked.

 

[Triewd]

The jump reversion from the evil of contributing to depression and schizophrenia back to the smell in the lobby does not go unremarked.

Evil is unspectacular and always human, and shares our bed and eats at our own table.

W. H. Auden


The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles.

AYN RAND, Capitalism: The Unknown Idea


Apathy and evil. The two work hand in hand. They are the same, really.... Evil wills it. Apathy allows it. Evil hates the innocent and the defenseless most of all. Apathy doesn't care as long as it's not personally inconvenienced.

JAKE THOENE, Shaiton's Fire

Small things add to evil more often than not

counter point though: http://www.atlassociety.org/objectivism_prostitution_drugs

Thus Objectivism holds that drug abuse is an immoral abdication of reason and profoundly self-destructive. But there is nothing about it that demands the initiation of force against others. Drugs are traded by violent criminals today because the drug trade is illegal, not because it inherently attracts criminals. The mob sold booze during Prohibition, after all, but it does not do so now that alcohol is legal again. We would be much better off to end the drug war and have the peace of free trade instead.

 

[El_Machinae]

Perhaps especially when if its grown commercially it is subject to standards and those standards would reduce risks, thus costing society less.

However if cannabis causes or significantly adds to schizophrenia then we have just allowed evil.

Yes, it's true. But criminalization doesn't stop cannabis from getting into the hands of the vulnerable. It's just a fact of life, but nearly anyone can get it. And in order to stop people from getting it, we would need to increase police powers 10x and vastly harm society.

The criminalization of marijuana is a HUGE drain. We'd be much better off legalizing it, and using some of the savings to push for treatments and cures. Plus, there are hosts and hosts of people who are not negatively affected.

 

[The_J]

Everytime someone says we should decriminalize Cannabis, so that we control it better and get some money from its taxes, my reaction is that we can decriminalize infant murder for the same reasons .
(this is probably a fallacy, but the given argument itself is probably one too)


Also: I live in the Netherlands, therefore [x] lemons.

 

[El_Machinae]

I'd go full decriminalization, so we'd only get tax from companies that sell it.

The savings in higher earning power (of people without records), lower policing, and court and jail costs would pay us back

 

[thecrazyscot]

Everytime someone says we should decriminalize Cannabis, so that we control it better and get some money from its taxes, my reaction is that we can decriminalize infant murder for the same reasons [emoji14].
(this is probably a fallacy, but the given argument itself is probably one too)


Also: I live in the Netherlands, therefore [x] lemons.

How in any way can you equate the two? They are in no way similar.

 

[The_J]

It's late, I'm tired, and I'm stating that it's probably a fallacy, so please don't try to discuss that one seriously, it's not meant for that .

 

[thecrazyscot]

Oh all right

 

[nc-1701]

1. Yes, but criminalization is far worse.
2. No.
3. Depends on the situation, it won't make you friends. But it's unlikely anybody will come cap your knee.

Personally I wouldn't unless it was directly disrupting your living space. All that said if they ever called a noise complaint on me I would rat them out in an instant.

 

[Berzerker]

This question was brought to the fore for me for two reasons

There was a vehicle crime in my area, and secondly my neighbor downstairs uses Cannabis and stinks up the lobby, not only that but I know who deals it or rather I know the vehicle used ( I have the license plate number)


Moral question with several off shoots:

1 Is cannabis destructive to society?

2 Does it cause things like vehicle crime?

3 Will there be blowout from this?

I don't like snitching on people so I haven't yet.

Your thoughts?

no no maybe (blowback?)

dont snitch, it'll be bad karma and you dont need the stress of worrying about someone coming after you for turning them, their family or friends in