SID on pangaea
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I think this settler to the fishes (send EW to block tiles for Germans, next settler 5NW of Bad-Tiberia (on forrest) to claim that land, 3rd settler to ivory to help with happiness. Then fill in gaps.
Join 2 workers 2 Kish 1 entertainer 1 working forrest.
mm Sumer 4 turn worker EW combo
mm Ur and Lagesh. Ur only needs 7 shields
Should get GLib within 25 turns, should be ok if all ai build cascade.
Why work tiles outside territory near ivory?
Join 2 workers 2 Kish 1 entertainer 1 working forrest.
mm Sumer 4 turn worker EW combo
mm Ur and Lagesh. Ur only needs 7 shields
Should get GLib within 25 turns, should be ok if all ai build cascade.
Why work tiles outside territory near ivory?
. have Tried Sid a few times, all on Pangaea, And you can Guess the results
I'm concerned about Germany: it is the most agressive civ in civ3 and i have a bad feeling they will attack us soon (we are VERY weak). Maybe MA with Germany vs Egypt is a good idea to keep them busy? But that needs some gold for embassy and for MA payment..
I. Larkin
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Did not start to play yet. Traveling now, probably will have time tomorrow at San Paulo airport. Good idea to have embassy with Germans, but I am afraid we do not have enough cash for MA vs Egypt.
What do team think abot this?
What do team think abot this?
When we can risk to let him play?
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Will write tl soon. At the place I stay now internet slow and expensive.
Cave to Inca (All gold).
For "profilactics" bought Math from Germans. Sell to Babylons.
Borrow money from Egyptians. All give 18 for 1 gpt. It is "for nothing".
See Mongol's, American's and China Border. Hopefully contacts will give us some money.
0 1500*BC Change some production. (Barracks->Curragh). Reduce Lux and hire Sci in Kish. We risk not to get Lit before Palace will complete.
IBT Inca ask all gold, while we run negative gpt. Go to Big picture and adjust slider and cave. Inka (polite) establish embassy in our capital.
1 1475*BC For “prophylactics” trade Math + all gold from Germany for 27 gpt. Sell Math to Babs for wheels +CB +163 g. we have Horses near Ur.
IBT got boot order…
2 1450*BC Germans send settler to our land.
IBT Inca’s Galley sail Clockwise.
3 1425*BC Curragh sails.
IBT zzz
4 1400*BC zzz
IBT Horses connected.
5 1375*BC
IBT zzz
6 1350*BC Trade 18*5 for 5 gpt
IBT zzz
7 1325*BC
IBT zzz
8 1300*BC
IBT zzz
9 1275*BC Curragh spot Mongols’ border.
IBT zzz
10 1250*BC Trade 180 for 10 gpt from Egyptians. I think we should continue borrow money. All AIs agree to give [18*c] gold for [c] gpt. Inca and Germans are preferable lenders.
Curragh spot china’s border and it is save to touch it. Important to use “Shift + Ctrl +D” to open diplo screen with China next turn.
Our network was very chaotic. Idea was “roads first, City next”. It did not happen, I also could not break this tendency.
TheRat up.
Hope he can find where to settle and manage not to let Germans settle IBT.
Cave to Inca (All gold).
For "profilactics" bought Math from Germans. Sell to Babylons.
Borrow money from Egyptians. All give 18 for 1 gpt. It is "for nothing".
See Mongol's, American's and China Border. Hopefully contacts will give us some money.
0 1500*BC Change some production. (Barracks->Curragh). Reduce Lux and hire Sci in Kish. We risk not to get Lit before Palace will complete.
IBT Inca ask all gold, while we run negative gpt. Go to Big picture and adjust slider and cave. Inka (polite) establish embassy in our capital.
1 1475*BC For “prophylactics” trade Math + all gold from Germany for 27 gpt. Sell Math to Babs for wheels +CB +163 g. we have Horses near Ur.
IBT got boot order…
2 1450*BC Germans send settler to our land.
IBT Inca’s Galley sail Clockwise.
3 1425*BC Curragh sails.
IBT zzz
4 1400*BC zzz
IBT Horses connected.
5 1375*BC
IBT zzz
6 1350*BC Trade 18*5 for 5 gpt
IBT zzz
7 1325*BC
IBT zzz
8 1300*BC
IBT zzz
9 1275*BC Curragh spot Mongols’ border.
IBT zzz
10 1250*BC Trade 180 for 10 gpt from Egyptians. I think we should continue borrow money. All AIs agree to give [18*c] gold for [c] gpt. Inca and Germans are preferable lenders.
Curragh spot china’s border and it is save to touch it. Important to use “Shift + Ctrl +D” to open diplo screen with China next turn.
Our network was very chaotic. Idea was “roads first, City next”. It did not happen, I also could not break this tendency.
TheRat up.
Hope he can find where to settle and manage not to let Germans settle IBT.
Maybe gpt deal with Egypt was not good idea if want war with them. Principle is good. Get deals with Germany to prevent them from attacking us. After 20 turns (or more) de could attack Egypt, let Germany do most of the fighting. Would like some fast units for that to cope with landings. Don't expect al large Egypt stack to pass trough Germany.
Palace is not complete pre-build yet, probably 300 shields. When trading lit make sure all other wonders are build.
Before I forget will be on holiday next week, can play until friday. So If TheRat can play before that I can play, or we might swap.
Palace is not complete pre-build yet, probably 300 shields. When trading lit make sure all other wonders are build.
Before I forget will be on holiday next week, can play until friday. So If TheRat can play before that I can play, or we might swap.
ThERat
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I can play this now, so no issues
ThERat
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Pre-Turn
Interesting setup to run negative gpt and try and research at 70%, let's see how that goes
1. 1225BC
contact China, they are up IW and WC only, have 69 gold
IT the last ancient wonder, the Great wall has been started
2.1200BC
our curragh survived and we meet the Mongols, they also lack techs
our EW in the north meets America
3. 1175BC
going to run out of money soon, but even with 0% science, we have a negative gpt
next turn we get a lux finally
4. 1150BC
reduce lux to 20%, but it doesn't help that much
found Der to claim the whale and fish in the south
ok, desperate measures are needed (we need roughly 400gold for the 7 remaining turns)
employ a lot of taxmen and to a deal for cash with Germany
But get CoL for 29gpt and get quite a few techs for the exchange of CoL
(IW, HBR, Mysticism, philo, MM)
end up having 294gold, running a lot of scientists to get lit in 7 at -36gpt
5. 1125BC
just waiting for lit to come in
IT German settler pairs have given up
America gives us a boot order
oh my...I think that's it, Germans start the TGL with 2 wonders still out there
6. 1100BC
literature has dropped to 1 turn
we meet the last Civ, Japan
fire most scientists, raise lux to 30% so we can get 11spt in Kish
IT this is so annoying, America finishes the Hanging Garden and the cascade proceeds
we have literature
7. 1075BC
found Kua to fill some gap
TGL is still 13 turns away, doubtful we will make it
employ a single scientist for republic
we make -35gpt
IT the GW has been done, 100 shields for the cascade, that can't last that long
8. 1050BC
at least we can fall back to the FP now
9. 1025BC
trading opportunity to get construction from China
do that, then get poly for construction from Babylon and we have tech parity
IT it's official, German's Leipzig finishes the Great Library
we can swap to the FP now
10. 1000BC
the AI has currency now, but no trade
Egypt is having a settler pair very close by
We could use that to boot them to declare war on us and get Germany involved
Maybe get a ROP with germany to find Leipzig
A 27gpt deal with Germany will expire soon
Interesting setup to run negative gpt and try and research at 70%, let's see how that goes
1. 1225BC
contact China, they are up IW and WC only, have 69 gold
IT the last ancient wonder, the Great wall has been started
2.1200BC
our curragh survived and we meet the Mongols, they also lack techs
our EW in the north meets America
3. 1175BC
going to run out of money soon, but even with 0% science, we have a negative gpt
next turn we get a lux finally
4. 1150BC
reduce lux to 20%, but it doesn't help that much
found Der to claim the whale and fish in the south
ok, desperate measures are needed (we need roughly 400gold for the 7 remaining turns)
employ a lot of taxmen and to a deal for cash with Germany
But get CoL for 29gpt and get quite a few techs for the exchange of CoL
(IW, HBR, Mysticism, philo, MM)
end up having 294gold, running a lot of scientists to get lit in 7 at -36gpt
5. 1125BC
just waiting for lit to come in
IT German settler pairs have given up
America gives us a boot order
oh my...I think that's it, Germans start the TGL with 2 wonders still out there
6. 1100BC
literature has dropped to 1 turn
we meet the last Civ, Japan
fire most scientists, raise lux to 30% so we can get 11spt in Kish
IT this is so annoying, America finishes the Hanging Garden and the cascade proceeds
we have literature
7. 1075BC
found Kua to fill some gap
TGL is still 13 turns away, doubtful we will make it
employ a single scientist for republic
we make -35gpt
IT the GW has been done, 100 shields for the cascade, that can't last that long
8. 1050BC
at least we can fall back to the FP now
9. 1025BC
trading opportunity to get construction from China
do that, then get poly for construction from Babylon and we have tech parity
IT it's official, German's Leipzig finishes the Great Library
we can swap to the FP now
10. 1000BC
the AI has currency now, but no trade
Egypt is having a settler pair very close by
We could use that to boot them to declare war on us and get Germany involved
Maybe get a ROP with germany to find Leipzig
A 27gpt deal with Germany will expire soon
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It is not an issue now, but why you did not borrow money?
We may take a risk and boot Egypt, I think.
But better to borrow money from germans. May be trade route will appear and we trade Ivory.
I think all may build Libs, even some Cities may poprush it. Good to build road to Inca to trade second Ivory.
We may take a risk and boot Egypt, I think.
But better to borrow money from germans. May be trade route will appear and we trade Ivory.
I think all may build Libs, even some Cities may poprush it. Good to build road to Inca to trade second Ivory.
ThERat
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I am not quite sure what you exactly mean. I tried to keep us afloat with positive cash.
You are aware that you need to have a positive gpt, else the AI won't give you anything as they know you are broke. So, I did the slightly cheesy thing of artificially employing many taxmen, get that German tech deal done. That got us enough cash to complete literature.
I don't know how on earth we can borrow more money when we run -34gpt even at 0% science. Is there a mechanism I am not aware of?
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I thought it is not that bad. But if you put Sci and Lux to 0% and hire some Taxmen gpt might be positive. But well, with -29 gpt for CoL it may be really limit.
So we have to make a decision to war or not to war?
I prefer "to stay". First we have to have Libs, Kish after FP, and in Ur and Sumer as well. Next turn we may borrow money and continue research at max to Republic. We have no room to settle, may be at our NE. Warrior to coast, horse to help.
Nerovats up.
I'd poprush Libs to have fish sonner.
To bad about GLib, in hindsigth a good trade for CoL.
We need few more units before we can start war. Could get libs in core, some horse elsewere, then boot if they are still around.
Think we need 10 horses or so to be relatively save, if we can get Germany to join. Will wait for Ignas opinion.
You can't borrow money if at 100% tax and stil run negative gpt.
We need few more units before we can start war. Could get libs in core, some horse elsewere, then boot if they are still around.
Think we need 10 horses or so to be relatively save, if we can get Germany to join. Will wait for Ignas opinion.
You can't borrow money if at 100% tax and stil run negative gpt.
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I think that Horses vs Pickmens and Musketers is difficult. I think in proper set we can get scince OK.
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