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I'm afraid to say that Lula da Silva has been elected as President of Brazil. This greatly worries me...

First, da Silva plans to restart Brazil's nuclear bomb program.

Second, he's a founding member of the Sao Paulo Forum. This is a group of Marxist delegates from clearly terrorist states. Iraqi and Libyan emissaries are also a part of this group.

Third, he's clearly in support of FARC terrorists in Colombia.

This isn't some pee-poor country of Angola. This is Brazil, easily capable of building a bomb, overthrowing governments and installing leftist dictators. This is bad news for free people.
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe
This is Brazil, easily capable of building a bomb, overthrowing governments and installing leftist dictators. This is bad news for free people.

It's funny that you say that being from USA, a country easily capable of building a bomb, overthrowing goverments and installing capitalist dictators.

Come on, Brazil is a democratic country, the same as USA.
 
Originally posted by Greadius
:hmm:

Let me think...

Nope. I don't care :D

Brazil's politics are Brazil's perogative.

Now, now Greadius, don't stick your head in the sand. You never know when you'll be suprised by a Brazilian.

Especially, when you're 'south of the border'.
 
If the people want communism let them have it. If the people want free trade democracy let them have it. If the people want a dicatator let them have it. Its not your choice rmsharpe and its of no business of America if the people want something different.
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe
First, da Silva plans to restart Brazil's nuclear bomb program.

Second, he's a founding member of the Sao Paulo Forum. This is a group of Marxist delegates from clearly terrorist states. Iraqi and Libyan emissaries are also a part of this group.

Third, he's clearly in support of FARC terrorists in Colombia.

Can I have a reputable source for some of that other than 'Obscure right-wing US website No.5', please?
 
*shrug* It looks like Brazil has power ambitions.

This doesn't worry me. After all, France has "the bomb" and it hasn't meant the end of the world. :lol:
 
I'm afraid to say that Lula da Silva has been elected as President of Brazil. This greatly worries me...

First, da Silva plans to restart Brazil's nuclear bomb program.

Second, he's a founding member of the Sao Paulo Forum. This is a group of Marxist delegates from clearly terrorist states. Iraqi and Libyan emissaries are also a part of this group.

Third, he's clearly in support of FARC terrorists in Colombia.

This isn't some pee-poor country of Angola. This is Brazil, easily capable of building a bomb, overthrowing governments and installing leftist dictators. This is bad news for free people.
Although I don´t like Lula, I must say that you´re (at least partially) wrong:

1- He isn´t a dictator. He was elected, there were other candidates, campaigns, debates, etc. like all democracies have.

2- About the bomb, he hasn´t been very clear. He said that Brazil shouldn´t have signed the treat that prohibited this kind of bomb, but also said he would never build it.

3- About the communism thing: Lula has changed a lot. This the forth time that he tries to be president and he only won this time because he assumed some "rightist" compromises. His vice-president, BTW, is an important business-man

4-He has continously denied any relations with the FARC.

Lula is definetly not the best president that we brazillians ever had but there shouldn´t be any fear about him.

As a side note, the election finished 16 hours ago and we have 99.9% of 90 million votes counted. Far better than U.S.
 
Originally posted by Henrique
As a side note, the election finished 16 hours ago and we have 99.9% of 90 million votes counted. Far better than U.S.

Doesn't Brazil have complete electronic voting? If so, would you care to comment on it?
 
Henrique, you want to be careful on your voting staticstics after the recent debacle in Iraq ;)

I'd be interested to hear what you think of his economic policies, here in England it's been widely publicised that investors have been pulling out of Brazil by the bucket load, but friends and family actually in Brazil seem to have no inkling that this is happening.

What are Lula's actual policies? All I here about is the investors :(

It's funny that rmsharpe is once again scared of other countries doing exactly the same things as the US :LOL:
 
Doesn't Brazil have complete electronic voting? If so, would you care to comment on it?
Well, I don´t know if my English is good enough to explain, but let´s give it a try.
Yes, it is completely eletronic. Lots of eletronic balloots (don´t konow if this is the word) were produced and distributed all over the country (including Native camps in Amazonia) and they work with both battery or eletricity (if available).
To vote is simple: type the number of your candidate (all of them have one according to his party) which will appear on a small screen. Then, press the green button to confirm. If you typed it wrong, you can restart the process.
Although quite slow to vote (compared to the paper process) it is very useful, fast to count and almost impossible to corrupt. The counting of the votes start as soon as the voting ends and get to know the aprox. results in the end of the day. I think it´s the third election run this way.

What are Lula's actual policies? All I here about is the investors
Well, the fact is that no one knows for sure (and this frightens the investors). He says what everybody says: he will incentivate growth, create (10 million) jobs, reduce interest taxes, maintain prices where they are, improve the social indicators and export much more (all of this at the same time....). I tend to think that the campaign is far different from governing. When he assumes, he will notice that he will have to give up some thingies (just as the last govt. did). But his economic team is fairly good, so no big problems should be feared (I think).

Edit: Just one thing i forgot to say. Lula is not an official as ozscott75 suggested. He used to work on a metalurgy befor becoming politic.
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe

This isn't some pee-poor country of Angola. This is Brazil, easily capable of building a bomb, overthrowing governments and installing leftist dictators. This is bad news for free people.

Not so much fun when someone else is doing it, neh? Don't forget America has done the same thing except ofcourse installing rightist dictators. Why don't you learn more about the CIA involvement in Nicagura. America was being very naughty then.
 
It's funny that rmsharpe is once again scared of other countries doing exactly the same things as the US
It is the old, "do as I say but not as I do" approach to politics.
Lula is definetly not the best president that we brazillians ever
He has been President for what, a few days, and you are already judging him? That seems a little harsh to me.
First, da Silva plans to restart Brazil's nuclear bomb program.
I'm sorry but I don't know why this worries you so much. If you have the bomb then how can you possibly condemn others for building one.
Third, he's clearly in support of FARC terrorists in Colombia.
What does 'clearly in support' mean? Has he joined them in their fight? Does he provide financial support? What?
This is bad news for free people.
Don't you mean bad news for Americans? Because personally I think the democratic election of a President in South America is quite a good thing for the free people of Brazil (and the rest of that contient).
 
I once started a discussion called "this is absurd" speaking of this matter exactly. A right-wing newspaper called "Washington Times" had suggested that in the Event of a Victory from Lula, Brazil would become a terrorist nation with connections to Saddan Hussein and would become a storage site for nukes (???).

Pfff... That is utter ridiculous. The PT (the name of the Labours Party) is left wing undoubtedly, but this sort of policy is impossible here in Brazil.

First of all, our constitution institutes the principle of non-interference. It means that the executive does not have the power to interfere with the destiny of other nations, nor is allowed to wage aggresive wars.

Two, the search for peace is a fundamental reason for the existance of our government. In fact, let me translate the 4th article of Brazilian Constitution, one of our called "petrified clauses" (institutions that cannot be changed unless we make another constitutiuon):

Art. 4th - The federative Republic of Brazil is guided in it's international relations by the following princpiles:

I – national sovereignty;
II – prevalence of human rights;
III – self-determination of all people;
IV – no intervention;
V – equality between Nations;
VI – defense of peace;
VII – pacific solution to all conflicts;
VIII – aversion to terrorism and racism;
IX – cooperation between all people of the world to the progress of mankind;
X – concession of political asylum.

Also, in the 84th article and the following, that describes the powers of the president, it’s established not only that war can only be declared in the event of foreign aggression, and only with authorization of the National Congress, but also that the disobedience of the Constitution is a Functional Crime of Responsibility, that can lead from suspension to exoneration of the mandate.

I won’t even begin to list the many guarantees of our 5th article, the most important and untouchable of our constitution, but let me just assure that it grants right of property and equality of all people.

Really, people, I won’t deny that Lula probably has some sympathy for some out-dated communism agenda, but he didn’t get a majority of the governors nor in the Senate. The very govern ability of the nation depends on many conciliations and concessions. So, even those who believe in the absurd that Lula is a dictator wannabe, rest assure that he does not have powers to it.

Seriously, our laws are pretty refined, and the division of the three powers of state are quite clear. No president have the means to became a dictator or to influence maliciously in the overcome of other democracies. No one would last long if they tried.

Last, lemme assure that this atomic bomb thing is ridiculous. There is not the slightest support for that idea. As I mentioned in the other thread, it’s even wrong to talk about “restarting” our nuke program, because we never had one. All uses of Nuclear power in Brazil, in the entire history, are completely pacific.

Not that building a bomb would instantly make it for an aggression. After all, USA has many, but it does not go nuking other nations every time it gets pissed off.

Really, it may be hard to an USA citizen to believe in this, but the democratic institutions in Brazil are quite solid; There is not even a single party here that displays any sympathy for a dictatorial, anti-democratic or totalitarian model, and even in our share of radicals no one ever mentioned the adoption of an external policy of aggression.

Trust me, USA is not the only place when democracy is mature. It is strong enough here so we can bare people with different opinions.

Originally posted by JoeM
I'd be interested to hear what you think of his economic policies, here in England it's been widely publicised that investors have been pulling out of Brazil by the bucket load, but friends and family actually in Brazil seem to have no inkling that this is happening.

What are Lula's actual policies? All I here about is the investors :(

It's funny that rmsharpe is once again scared of other countries doing exactly the same things as the US :LOL:

Yeah, there is some truth about the investors thing. The actual comparison between the US dollar and our real is being quite unfavorable (it’s near to 4:1 now), and we are living days of recession.

Nonetheless, during the elections there have being a few reunions in wich all of our major candidates have assured to the internbational investors that they have nothing to fear, that all the contracts will be respected, as well as the right of property that is granted in the constitution.

Anyway, elections are always times of suspicion, so some money left the country anyway. All analysts, though, expect that once the new government begins to function and the respect promised begin to show, that money will return here.

As for his policies, well, the promises are somewhat vague, as were of all the candidates (in my other thread I also mentioned something about the frivolous behavior in campagns, where wild promises are more effective than real propositions). Anyway, we can expect a change of focus. Fernando Henrique Cardoso’s government followed a liberal agenda, with privatizations, seeking stability. Lula will probably have more social worries, and will invest more in that field.

Of course, he promises to do so while at the same time granting growth and maintaining the partial stability FHC achieved. It’s now a matter of seeing how successful he will be at that.

And as for RMSharpe worries… well, yeah, it’s indeed funny how only USA can play world police and grant that it’s values are respected everywhere. Anyway, Sharpe, don’t worry. We don’t plan to be competition to you guys.
 
Not good. But it will most likely not affect us in any detectable way, but if he fails to behave either the military or the people will schedule his transfixion.
 
Nixon you're seriously deluded if you consider Brazil a threat to anything. Unless you're allergic to dancing.

Check out their military history (no link provided because they don't have one).
 
Boy,

One doesn't regard Brazil as a current and future threat to world 'stability', but indeed those regimes, as so brightly illustrated in both the history of Brazil, but also in the South American history books, those regimes can become revolting infernos overnight, often arousing lucrative opportunities for the various Marxist factions et al, which always exist in those countries to seize power and ignite brutish genocidal waves which serves no purpose, but their own lust for blood and sick display of romanticized power. This is a worst-case scenario; it has happened, indeed several times, and to the northeast, in Colombia, people are heinously slaughtered each day.
 
Originally posted by nixon
Boy,

One doesn't regard Brazil as a current and future threat to world 'stability', but indeed those regimes, as so brightly illustrated in both the history of Brazil, but also in the South American history books, those regimes can become revolting infernos overnight, often arousing lucrative opportunities for the various Marxist factions et al, which always exist in those countries to seize power and ignite brutish genocidal waves which serves no purpose, but their own lust for blood and sick display of romanticized power. This is a worst-case scenario; it has happened, indeed several times, and to the northeast, in Colombia, people are heinously slaughtered each day.

Kid, you ARE seriously deluded!

"Marxist factions et al, which always exist in those countries to seize power and ignite brutish genocidal waves..."

What "those countries"? You think that USA is so different of a country than Brazil? It's richer and militarely stronger... that's it.

You seen to think it's very easy to play superior and look down to other nations, like democracy there is a joke that can fall any time. Well, we don't joke about democracy here.

Gosh, it's people like this that make so many people in the world angry at USA. Please re-evaluate your posture, and grant my country the same respect I grant yours.

And if you like history books so much, than check and see that the dictatorship that ruled brazil from the 60's to the 80's was RIGHT-WINGED and had quuite a decisive role of CIA in it's institution.

Try seeking for "Brazil + Communism + CIA" in yahoo search. It will be rather educational.
 
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