SkizzNES

[Neverwonagame3]

On Princes
For some reason, by the birth of Louis the Pious a new phenomena had swept what would have previously been called the Princes of Europe. Beginning in the north, reigme after reigme gave their ruler the title of King and the heir to the throne the title of Prince, based presumably off percieved supremacy to the Prince of Wales.

Suprisingly, this phenomena even spread to the Muslim world, where outspoken critics attacked the state for this development- it was assosiated, after all, with the infidel. Yet, despite this, it continued unabated until even the Maygars used the titles of King and Prince.

After about six months of worrying and bad omens, Louis the Pious began to calm down somewhat due to this development. After all, the arrogance of these rulers showed that, whatever he was, they were even worse. One of the writers in his court, partly to earn his favor and partly to aid the realm, wrote the book On Princes satirising the develompent.

To this day historians have failed to understand why, after so many years of nothing of the sort emerging, such a development occured. Louis the Pious's character explains why his own realm was unaffected, but why so many diverse personalities and cultures caught onto the trend was still unexplained.

However, if at least through the butterfly effect, it would change the course of history...

 

[dldnjstjr]

Sorry, but I will drop this NES. I had something else in mind. Perhaps current Scotland can take the reign.

 

[Condor_green]

Sending orders tommorow.

 

[skizzik]

Sorry, but I will drop this NES. I had something else in mind. Perhaps current Scotland can take the reign.

Sad to hear it, do you still want me to follow through your current orders?

 

[Neverwonagame3]

OOC: I fear I may have put a bit too much of myself into the Louis I portray here...

Louis the Pious and Pope Leo III
Charles Martel, also known as Charlemange, had originally insisted that Louis, later known as "Louis the Pious" crown himself Emperor. However, after the omens following the death of Bernard of Italy he was reluctant to keep to this.

It was probably not good for Louis's power compartive to the Pope's, but before the year 812 was out he asked Leo III to give him a proper coronation. This was granted, helping to calm Louis's legitimacy fears but increasing the power of the Church.

However, a series of bad omens would occur, making Louis conclude that he was either wrong in the crowning, or not going far enough. Lothair was of the view that he should declare himself Emperor by right, but Louis countered that that would leave him no legitimacy.

Eventually, he decided to repudiate the Pope's crowning. He reasoned that once the Pope Leo (who was still alive) had given his father the secular power he would intend for it to be passed to his descendants. Who crowns a ruler (Louis claimed), if he is rightful ruler, is a minor matter- and therefore within his jurisdiction.

Leo III, luckily for the power of the Emperor (as if he had not he could have persuaded Louis to repudiate his repudiation through theological argument), believed this to be a mere pretext. Not wanting a confrontation with the more politically powerful Emperor, he made a secret deal with Louis by which he would fund the Church with a large portion of his income in exchange for the incident passing. Funding the Church was something Louis was more then happy to do...

 

[skizzik]

OOC: I fear I may have put a bit too much of myself into the Louis I portray here...

Louis the Pious and Pope Leo III
Charles Martel, also known as Charlemange, had originally insisted that Louis, later known as "Louis the Pious" crown himself Emperor. However, after the omens following the death of Bernard of Italy he was reluctant to keep to this.

It was probably not good for Louis's power compartive to the Pope's, but before the year 812 was out he asked Leo III to give him a proper coronation. This was granted, helping to calm Louis's legitimacy fears but increasing the power of the Church.

However, a series of bad omens would occur, making Louis conclude that he was either wrong in the crowning, or not going far enough. Lothair was of the view that he should declare himself Emperor by right, but Louis countered that that would leave him no legitimacy.

Eventually, he decided to repudiate the Pope's crowning. He reasoned that once the Pope Leo (who was still alive) had given his father the secular power he would intend for it to be passed to his descendants. Who crowns a ruler (Louis claimed), if he is rightful ruler, is a minor matter- and therefore within his jurisdiction.

Leo III, luckily for the power of the Emperor (as if he had not he could have persuaded Louis to repudiate his repudiation through theological argument), believed this to be a mere pretext. Not wanting a confrontation with the more politically powerful Emperor, he made a secret deal with Louis by which he would fund the Church with a large portion of his income in exchange for the incident passing. Funding the Church was something Louis was more then happy to do...

No no, detial is the name of the game! you are doing fine.

 

[Abaddon]

Hey Skiz, get some stats for my NES?

 

[skizzik]

Not tonight but ill make sure to get them done either later tonight or tomorrow, im swamped.

 

[Abaddon]

Cool, that will be great.

Map, NPC's and your entry and I should be able to launch.

 

[DarthNader]

...revised map?

 

[skizzik]

yeah, just need to post it.

 

[Neverwonagame3]

OOC: Bivin of Gorze was a real person. A lay abbot in his lifetime, he was the father of a future Duke of Burgundy, a future King of Provence, and a future wife of a King of France. A good target when trying to maximise butterfly effect...

The Death of Bivin of Gorze
A suprising number of internet conspiracy theories have some role in them for the death of Bivin of Gorze. Even factoring for random factors, and the attention (itself hard to explain) that Pope Leo gave the death, it is difficult to understand why this is the case.

Some parts of it are, however, easy to explain. One factor was that Lothair himself was passing by Gorze to visit his father, and witnessed the death. Another is that the assiliant's description was rather unsual- he was tall, healthy, and matched nobody in the entire region. Some people had claimed to see him, but absolututly nobody had seen him talk.

Other factors, like the (unknown to historians even to this day) reason that Leo III took such an interest in the death, and the fact that Bevin had been fearing his own death for a few days before the murder, help to explain it to some degree. But still, it comes down as one of the mysteries of the past...

 

[Terrance888]

I would be Happy to Take England.

To Scots

If you convert to christianity I will help you Conquer Picts and have you be my ally.

To Picts

If you convert to christianity I will hep you Conquer the Scots and have you as my ally.

 

[Condor_green]

To England
If you convert to paganism i will help you conquer Picts Scots and Welsh and have you be my ally.

 

[Neverwonagame3]

To Britain
How can you trust them? What reason do you have to believe they are honest?

 

[skizzik]

Deadline in 24 hours.... i got 4/9 sets of orders get them in please

 

[Terrance888]

OOC: Who is talking to me? They won't tell me who they are. AHHHHHHHHHH!

What is 'Britian'?

 

[DarthNader]

Still no updated map....

 

[sp1023]

Dropping this, I'm in way too many NESes.

 

[skizzik]

OOC: Who is talking to me? They won't tell me who they are. AHHHHHHHHHH!

What is 'Britian'?

Britain is NPC atm, ill do some Diplo.

Still no updated map....

Its on the way with update

Dropping this, I'm in way too many NESes.

Really sad to hear it mate, when ever you feel like it, come join us again!