SKNES: Architecture of Aggression

[erez87]

I promote the concept that we all share one God, but some do not realize it. Perhaps their Odin is God in a different form? All I ask for is open-mindedness.
OOC: I know, it's really weird arguing for the least prevalent of monotheistic religions in North America, especially if you have no concern with the other ones anyway.

Odin is god? Such blasphemous words! And what of Thor? Is he some other god we forgot about? What of Baldr? Another god we forgot to worship? Insane words of a man losing his faith in the only one true god. The god who took his son to save us all. And you equate him to those Pagan faiths? Blasphemy!

 

[Lokki242]

I... am not sure. I think, but then... I need to think. But know my faith is always in Him, and not in others.

 

[erez87]

I... am not sure. I think, but then... I need to think. But know my faith is always in Him, and not in others.

I am not the one who should know. It is only our lord who needs to know. For his punishment to those who leave his loving hold will be eternal damnation in HELL. You may prefer the other Pope in France, he might allow more blasphemous things to be said without vigilant defense of our lord's true ways. After all, he is a puppet of a king who is faithless.

 

[thomas.berubeg]

So, Tell me, Pope: Your God Is a Divine, all powerful, entity, correct? And HE is the ONLY god? And yet, you claim that Jesus is also god, separate and distinct from him, as his Son. A son birthed from a Mortal, NONE DIVINE mother. Explain to me, if you can, how this fits with your teachings.

 

[erez87]

So, Tell me, Pope: Your God Is a Divine, all powerful, entity, correct? And HE is the ONLY god? And yet, you claim that Jesus is also god, separate and distinct from him, as his Son. A son birthed from a Mortal, NONE DIVINE mother. Explain to me, if you can, how this fits with your teachings.

ooc: When was the Trinity accepted? Is Catholicism Trinitarian? I read the Orthodox Christianity is... Oh finally found.

God is one. Jesus is god. The Father, the son and the holy spirit are the trinity, the mystery of the single god who appears in his different forms. The father is our creator, the son his is image among humanity, and the holy spirit dwells within us all. The Three are one.

Are you asking question for you are interested to know more of the one true religion, or since you think you are smarter than the lord?

ooc: Ok enough arguing for Catholicism. It's hard when its such a stupid religion (not that the Norse one is better).

 

[thomas.berubeg]

OOC: I'm actually writing a paper on Nestorianism as we speak: the whole reason behind all the schisms are just STUPID! Such minor reasons: "Nestorius' teachings became the root of controversy when he publicly challenged the long-used title Theotokos (Bringer forth of God) for the Virgin Mary. He suggested that the title denied Christ's full humanity, arguing instead that Jesus had two natures, the divine Logos and the human Jesus. As such he proposed Christotokos (Bringer forth of Christ) as a more suitable title for Mary."

 

[erez87]

OOC: I'm actually writing a paper on Nestorianism as we speak: the whole reason behind all the schisms are just STUPID! Such minor reasons: "Nestorius' teachings became the root of controversy when he publicly challenged the long-used title Theotokos (Bringer forth of God) for the Virgin Mary. He suggested that the title denied Christ's full humanity, arguing instead that Jesus had two natures, the divine Logos and the human Jesus. As such he proposed Christotokos (Bringer forth of Christ) as a more suitable title for Mary."

ooc: Enough religious craziness Not like any of us will change his state's religion. I'm the Pope, and you don't want me as your Pope after all... But I am still the single most influential man in the world with 22 influence

 

[Amon Savag]

We request official recognition of our Imperial status, by nations we believe it affects the most. Also, consider this our claim of the Pope in Rome's illegitimacy.​

What a foolish request. I have the blood of Emperors. You have the blood of Kings. If people are elevated simply because they say so, we will have 1000 emperors tomorrow... All of common birth.

You're the king of your own land, and whatever title you wish to be called will not change the fact that you only rule where you have armed men who will kill in your name to uphold said rule... Just like every other ruler in the world, regardless of title.​

 

[thomas.berubeg]

ooc: Enough religious craziness Not like any of us will change his state's religion. I'm the Pope, and you don't want me as your Pope after all... But I am still the single most influential man in the world with 22 influence

OOC: though, it'd be pretty cool if the Papal States ended up with another religion

 

[Lokki242]

I have the blood of Emperors. You have the blood of Kings. If people are elevated simply because they say so, we will have 1000 emperors tomorrow... All of common birth.

You're the king of your own land, and whatever title you wish to be called will not change the fact that you only rule where you have armed men who will kill in your name to uphold said rule... Just like every other ruler in the world, regardless of title.

Wait... so are you saying no, or that you don't care?

 

[Amon Savag]

Of course I'm saying no. There is only 1 emperor. That is myself. The western Emperor has died, leaving me as the sole emperor. Why would you want to bring this sort of attention to yourself, anyways. You are a king, with vassals. What is everyone's obsession with creating titles from thin air? This generation has seen the creation of 2 false Emperors from those who have the blood of kings. My status comes from a time before the coming of the great deceiver, when my Empire ruled all of the Mediterranean. What claim to such grandeur do either the King of France or the King of Armenia have? As I said, you're bringing unneeded attention to yourself. Your attempt to seek "recognition" for your made up titles only distances yourself from those who would be your friends.

 

[Lokki242]

Then I shall be the Ink'Nakal of Kozkas.
OOC: Sometimes I don't know whether to love or hate you, Amon.

 

[Amon Savag]

Then I shall be the Ink'Nakal of Kozkas.
OOC: Sometimes I don't know whether to love or hate you, Amon.

OOC: Haha next time seek recognition for your new title "Pope" from the pope in Rome.

 

[erez87]

OOC: Haha next time seek recognition for your new title "Pope" from the pope in Rome.

OOC: HAHA thankyou for saying what I think both IC and OOC.

 

[thomas.berubeg]

Queen Astridr Thorsdautir Hereby Declares herself Empress Astridr I of the Empire of the North! May her reign be prosperous under the auspices of the The All Father.

Long Live the Empire of The North!

(OOC: If everyone and their cousins is emperor, now, why not me, too? )

 

[Lokki242]

I take back my Imperial Claims... for now.

 

[Gem Hound]

Who needs to be an emperor when you could be a Brenin Uwchradd?((High King))

 

[SamSniped]

Or a Doge (Ruler) of a republic?

 

[Nuka-sama]

Nightmares...Nightmares everywhere.

The world is black

He awoke, puffing, what was the dream he had? What was this?

The day at court was difficult. Courtiers would hide in the shadows, not daring to leave his court, but there was no move, no desire to talk to the man who was excommunicated

"Jakob! What news from Duke Francis?"

"Sire...he has yet to respond. His brother Louis hasn't even left Aquitaine"

These fools had no appreciation. He was the Emperor! The Emperor! He had finally cast down that foolish Pope, and this was how he was repaid? Disobedience? And now...a splitting headache? He left the hall and went back to his room

A man chased him....The man would not die. He was half man half bull, grasping the Emperor in his palm and crushing as the Emperor screamed. Blackness....then light! Chained to two posts, he looked down and was burning! The crowd was faceless but laughing...mocking!

A cold sweat was over him as he arose. There was no one in the hall. Paris, normally bustling, had an eerie silence over it. Even the University was quiet...this was trouble. A headache came again...

Tortured screams filled the air. His mother, father, dying in front of him and disintegrating. He was on the cross, with thousands around him, stabbing, but not killing him...he would not die. He was on the cross, dying yet not for any sins...he was simply perishing...

He awoke with a scream. If this had happened before, dozens of guards and attendants would be here. Now....only silence. He kneeled to God and prayed, asking what was needed, was he worried about the war? The Duke?

God's voice filled his head

You wage war against my voice on Earth? And you ask me why you have these nightmares? You know what you must do

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The man had a beard, though not a kept one. It was the look of a man who had far greater worries than appearances. His clothes unkept, his voice rattly, his eyes bloodshot. Perhaps the only symbol that this was not a peasant was his horse. He rode into Rome, and walked to the gates of the Papal residence. And there, in the snow, he kneeled.

 

[erez87]

"My father?"
"Yes my son? What are the matters?" The Pope replied in his chamber.
"There is a man at the gate. He wishes to... It is the king of the Franks."
The Pope smiled. "The naughty son returns."
"Should I let him in my father?"
"He threatened to kill me? Am I right?"
"My father. You have the most powerful king in the world kneeling in the snow outside the gates waiting for your forgiveness. What more can you ask?"
"Me? I am but a humble servant of the lord Christ. It is god's demand that his request of forgiveness be true."
"I see my father."

The Pope went to the wall. He looked down at the king. He could see he was praying down in front of the gate. He has been there for several hours now. The Pope felt sorry for the man. He wanted to run down there, hug the king and accept give him his full blessing. Yet god in his mind said the king's groveling must be true.

A whole day passed. The Pope was standing in front of the gate from the inside and asked for the gates to open. The king stood in front of him. "Enter my son". The King of the Franks entered the court. He had tears in his eyes. He did not sleep or eat or drink for a day. "I ask for your forgiveness. I ask for god to forgive my wrong doings." The king spoken in a raspy voice. He was weak. "You are forgiven." the pope spoke in a soft voice, and greeted the king into the court.

They walked, Pope first, than his bishops and last the king, into a small room. In there the Pope brought the king ahead and baptized. The ceremony was quick. "King of the Franks. You have shown great humble when you came here. Men can become so strong, they lose hold of their souls. You were lost there for a moment but I see god have brought you to the right way. That was all that was truly needed." The Pope smiled, and hugged the king. "Now go to your empire and come back in a month, there is a coronation in order, for an emperor of the west, a true one, one chosen by god himself.

The Pope gave the king a large meal. Bishops came and sat, spoken with him, everyone knew this man will become more powerful very soon. Benedict cared for his people. He will make the ones humble powerful. He sent messengers to the Venetians, the Catholics will soon take a turn for the best. From nearly splitting, to unity. With an Emperor of the Catholic people for their physical protection and the holy father for the protection of their souls. A catholic confederation, a wondrous idea.

The king left the day after. Rejuvenated and excited. He will return soon, and the crown that was once worn by the emperor of Rome will soon be put upon his head.

to All catholic nations:
As I have foreseen, as god have said, the small mishap have been fixed. Soon I will coronate king Clovis III as emperor of the Catholic world. The first one at that. The Catholic Union will be formed of all the Catholic nations and Italy, the Papal states remaining a free state with the Pope at its head. Tithes to the Pope will be organized and the Empire will be organized by its members.

I request from all Catholic nations, Franks, Aquitaine, Venice, Naples as well as the Italian city-states to speak up and accept unity to work together. Soon all of Europe shall belong to our lord.
A map of the empire shall be drawn soon by my scholars.