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I say they just drop them, it would be cool for there to be the random chance to find a hidden safe route to the other continent
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And Purple is quite a forbidden entirely. given that the only known purple dye was Tyrean Purple. the most expensive dye that claims the lives of many thousands of Murex Snails per each production batch.
Primary color (Base color, coat color) is always needed to be cheap. Many countries with Red uniforms (such as England, -> Britain) chose this color because its dye was cheap. The other is blue. (indigo blue).
And thus this is why purple, pink, orange, NEVER were coat colors. Yellow is rare but this... I THINK due to the use of locally available dyes. one might even be mineral based. and not elsewhere.
but it is not really a bright yellow, rather it looks like a raw cowhide like buffcoats of 17th Century.
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And Secondary color (trim) is more or less associated to either National. or a regiment, city, or specific monarch (in case of elite guards).
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It could save the designers and devs a little trouble if both personas of two persona leaders shared the same color.
I'm pretty sure the "no duplicate leaders" option in Civ 6 also included personas, so I wouldn't be surprised to see in in Civ 7. But I did find it weird last game when both personas primary colors were different by default.
There are three tiers of infantry in the Modern Age: Line Infantry, Rifle Infantry, and the WW2-style one (name unknown) at tier 3. The Line Infantry looks like Revolutionary War or Napoleonic infantry, and Rifle Infantry presumably looks like WW1-era.
The only anti-air units that can be seen in the tech tree are Fighters.
Yes, Scouts are still available after the first age. There are even some later civilizations that have unique Scout units (such as the Inca Chasqui).
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Couple of observaions:
The 1st Tier infantry are mostly in tricorn hats with the coat-tails pinned back to show the contrasting linings, which are both mid-18th century uniform features. But one bit from a video shows similar troops (and some of the artillery crewmen) wearing Napoleonic-style Shakoes. I suspect this means Civ VII is mixing variations of uniform from the same period into a single unit, as they did in Civ VI, since there is no geographical distinction between shako and tricorn - they were both in general use throughout Europe and North America.
Making 2nd Tier infantry the WWI-era troops with bolt-action smokeless powder rifles means there is no unit representing the black-powder rifle-armed troops of the 19th century - no scenarios of the American Civil War, Crimean War, Wars of German Unification using regular units in Civ VII.
The WWII-era Tier 3 infantry show at least three different headgear variants. These probably represent 'regional' geographic variations rather than Uniques, but we don't really know yet.
There are two different Fighter aircraft shown: a radial-engined type suspiciously similar to the Japanese A6M "Zero", and an in-line engined type that is almost Generic: from the quick glimpse it resembles almost every aircraft of that type produced in Europe or North America early in the war, from the German Bf-109 to fthe American P-40 to the Soviet Yak-1 or LaGG-3. We need a better look at it . . .
The Napoleonic French infantry in that shot might actually be an Imperial Guard unique unit, but even if they are Line Infantry, mixing units of slightly different vintages would be nothing new for Firaxis... the Redcoat unit in Civ6 mixed tricornes and shakoes as variant models within the same unit. And in Civ7 the Shawnee have Knights that are absolutely not anything resembling a knight, and for the Bugandan infantry some of the models are armed with spears.
It's possible that they'll use nineteenth century riflemen as the tier 2 Rifle Infantry, but since the other tier 2 units are of WWI vintage I think that's unlikely. We'll have to wait and see.
The later Modern infantry that we've seen are not necessarily all tier 3... the distinctive British and French helmets spanned both wars, so it's hard to say for sure which examples we've seen are tier 3 or actually still tier 2 Rifle Infantry.
The two fighters we've seen are clearly based on the Zero and Mustang. Considering that we've seen an obscure German heavy bomber, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a German fighter as well. There are at least 3 different Tank variants, so it shouldn't surprise us to see at least 3 variants for the aircraft.
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1. Tier1 (Since there are early units that needs researched VERY EARLY to activate. i'd call it Tier0) units wore 18th Century uniforms. So not to be mismatched as seen in Civ6 Redcoats. frock coats are now standing collars rather than folded ones. While most nations got uniform that's truly UNIFORMED. (With base color and trim color), US Army however, still follows the Old Tinting rules.
My speculation is that there's to painting layers.
2. And no Mid19th Century units. but there's uniforms, worn by anyone but Europeans and Americans for Tier 0 units. Remember Siamese UU? that's exactly Mid19th Century Uniform, equivalent to King Mongkut's era (where modernization actually begun. though Siamese did use similiar European style tactics like 18th Century by the Kaungbaung War (Fall of Ayutthaya) which flintlock firearms saw use in large numbers. so many battles were fought primarily with fusillades just like in Europe.). The uniforms shown there was much later.
My speculation is that there MIGHT Be Blackpowder Rifled units in the expansions. though if Technical Upgrades are pursued, these are not neccessary.
But giving the name 'Cuirassiers' as generic T0 cavalry choice means there MIGHT be Blackpowder Rifled cavalry.. And these were also uniforms of Early WW1 soldiers before modern warfare made these obsolete.
Should there be any?
If Riflemen and mounted equivalents ever return. this should be a design of their weapons.
3. And while there's no silly 'Regiment of Machineguns' anymore, there's none represented in the battlefleld as a standard element to infantrymen. while IRL they are permanent addons to Infantry platoons. and even CAVALRY (since they were bogged down and had to fight as any infantrymen until the final months of the war. these cavalry were retained by many well into WW2, and even into 1943!
And icon chosen for Tier2 Infantry is a mafia tommygun. by then these soldiers weren't issued with these. the more correct emblem should be steel helmets just like in Civ6.
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Given that the only shot I've seen of the in-line engined fighter was from the top down so that only the general fuselage configuration and wing shape are visible, it could be the P-51, P-40 or almost any in-line engined fighter except the Spitfire, whose eliptical wings were very distinctive - and besides, having the Spitfire in the game in any form without a Modern Age Britain would be heaping insult on top of British Isles Injury.
IF they are going with regional variations as they appear to, then an A6M and P-51 would be the 'European/Western' and East Asian versions. There really aren't any good candidates for South American, south Asian or African aircraft of the period, but the P-51 was given/sold to many countries in those regions after WWII, and given the example of the medium tanks (US, USSR and German) they could throw in a German Bf-109 or Fw-190 for the third fighter, or one of the Soviet fighters - I notice that the only Dive Bomber we've seen seems to be based on the US Dauntless rather than the (in)famous Soviet IL-2 Shturmovik or German Ju-87 Stuka, so there's room for a Soviet aircraft which would sort of represent central Asia.
As for spears in modern units, my father was attached to one of the Ethiopian battalions in the Korean War, and pointed out once that the Ethiopian version of the Combat Infantryman's Badge was a silver-lined blue ribbon with a silver spear on it - indicating that the individual had defended his country during the Italian invasion of the 1930s armed only with a spear.
And as I remarked, they are doubtless playing a little 'fast and loose' with uniform details since each Tier represents 50 - 100 or more years of uniforms in the Modern and Exploration Ages, so that there is a lot of room for variations within each Tier of units - the same kind of thing they did within the even smaller units in Civ VI, which frequently had 4 figures, each in a different version of the unit's 'uniform'!
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At least it could once again mismatched.
What's an explaination why Tier0 Americans wear a very wild varieties of coat colors? didn't US Army uniforms has any facings? and note that US Army shown here always wear rather dated uniforms compared to French and Continental Europeans. While French has early Napoleonic uniforms, and possibly Germans may get shakoes. Americans ALWAYS wear tricornes.
maybe is it because of Early US Army compositions that there are more State Units, Militias and Volunteers who provided uniforms for themselves and this contributed to the 'lack of' of uniformity? and this also reflects that they were very much more fieldsmen than European counterparts that American tricornes can unfold cockings whenever a wearer needed? (and 'hats' are more favorite headdress than 'caps' and 'shakoes'?)
Common Threads: Army
Army uniforms have changed considerably since 1775, but they share a common thread: keeping soldiers safe, on the move and on mission. Take an interactive look at how warfighters' clothes and gear have evolved to meet the times.
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That last point is probably the main reason (militia, state forces, volunteers) especially in the start of the age 1750At least it could once again mismatched.
What's an explaination why Tier0 Americans wear a very wild varieties of coat colors? didn't US Army uniforms has any facings? and note that US Army shown here always wear rather dated uniforms compared to French and Continental Europeans. While French has early Napoleonic uniforms, and possibly Germans may get shakoes. Americans ALWAYS wear tricornes.
maybe is it because of Early US Army compositions that there are more State Units, Militias and Volunteers who provided uniforms for themselves and this contributed to the 'lack of' of uniformity? and this also reflects that they were very much more fieldsmen than European counterparts that American tricornes can unfold cockings whenever a wearer needed? (and 'hats' are more favorite headdress than 'caps' and 'shakoes'?)
Common Threads: Army
Army uniforms have changed considerably since 1775, but they share a common thread: keeping soldiers safe, on the move and on mission. Take an interactive look at how warfighters' clothes and gear have evolved to meet the times.www.defense.gov
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The American army had no common uniform until well after the revolution, so a 'Tier 0' American unit (roughly, dating to the 18th century) could be wearing almost any coat color: actual state militia and Continentals had coats in brown, blue, white, and 'homespun' dyed with what ever vegetable dye was available - everything but Red, which could lead to Friendly Fire casualties from nervous neighbors gacing British 'redcoats'.
The 'standard' US Army blue coat was not adopted officially until 1789 - well after the revolution, and that regulation called for the 'facings' or distinctive trim color to be variable by Region: units from New England with white, from the South with blue, from the Mid-Atlantic (Pennsylvania, New Jersey) with red. Note that at this time the US was a Confederacy, so all troops were raised by individual states, not fhe national government.
In general, the US Army adopted European uniform styles several years after the major European armies did, so that the US troops started wearing shakoes only after 1810, and adopted many French Army uniform styles after the 1850s - like the Kepi headgear by the Union Army in 1860 - 1865 or the Zouave uniforms worn by many militia outfits in the late 1850s. After 1871 the US Army even adopted a metal Prussian-style spiked helmet as headgear with the Dress Uniform, and it was still authorized until after the Spanish-American War at the end of the century!
The 'standard' US Army blue coat was not adopted officially until 1789 - well after the revolution, and that regulation called for the 'facings' or distinctive trim color to be variable by Region: units from New England with white, from the South with blue, from the Mid-Atlantic (Pennsylvania, New Jersey) with red. Note that at this time the US was a Confederacy, so all troops were raised by individual states, not fhe national government.
In general, the US Army adopted European uniform styles several years after the major European armies did, so that the US troops started wearing shakoes only after 1810, and adopted many French Army uniform styles after the 1850s - like the Kepi headgear by the Union Army in 1860 - 1865 or the Zouave uniforms worn by many militia outfits in the late 1850s. After 1871 the US Army even adopted a metal Prussian-style spiked helmet as headgear with the Dress Uniform, and it was still authorized until after the Spanish-American War at the end of the century!
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For how long did the US Army keeps their outdated 18th Century Uniforms including Tricornes and broadbrim hats? What contributes to the late transitions? distances VS 'the fastest communication methods avaiable 'at that time ? or usefulness of broadbrim hats VS shakoes? so US Army kept tricornes longer than anybody else?
Even so Hollywood and Gaming Industry loves to portray Continental Army as 'Uniformed' with famous Royal Prussian Army Blue uniforms.
Did Continental Army at Yorktown wears wild variety of coats like those Minutemen and not the popular 'Patriots' ?
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Uniforms are an industrial concept; clothing was not mass-produced until the advent of machinery, and so prior to that troops were usually not uniformly outfitted, even when gear was provided for them instead of them providing it themselves. In the Revolutionary War era, those units that did have a regular uniform varied greatly by regiment.
Hat Historian has an informative and entertaining video on the tricorn:
Hat Historian has an informative and entertaining video on the tricorn:
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And back to Civ6 'Mix and Mismatch' problems.
Is this how 19th Century Rank and File really wears tunics. With collars fold? What i've seen so far .. well at least in many illustrations, is that these men turns their collars up. WITH SHAKO?
Not every uniform was the same.
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