Small Observations General Thread (things not worth separate threads)

[Wohlauf]

Apologies if someone already pointed this out, quite a few comments on this thread so there's some I didn't get to.

The aircraft carrier and battleship in the modern age stream had a navagable river tile highlighted as a tile it could move to.

Thought it might be worth mentioning since some people mentioned battleships travelling up rivers as silly (it kinda is). Nevertheless, having a battleship arrive to turn the tide of a battle in the center of a continent will be something I try the first chance I get.

 

[Krikkit1]

Apologies if someone already pointed this out, quite a few comments on this thread so there's some I didn't get to.

The aircraft carrier and battleship in the modern age stream had a navagable river tile highlighted as a tile it could move to.

Thought it might be worth mentioning since some people mentioned battleships travelling up rivers as silly (it kinda is). Nevertheless, having a battleship arrive to turn the tide of a battle in the center of a continent will be something I try the first chance I get.

Yeah, separating heavy and light ships in modern seems like an excellent “heavy cant do navigable river” time (maybe with a heavy canal improvement that allows it)

 

[8housesofelixir]

Large warships traveling up rivers are rare but not impossible. For instance, below is a photo of the British aircraft carrier HMS Hermes sailing in the Yangtze River near Hankou (modern Wuhan) during the 1931 China floods.

Hankou is about 700km from the sea, and the Yangtze River near Hankou is about 1km wide at its narrowest point.

The photo was taken by the famous aviator Charles Lindbergh, who was on a humanitarian mission to Hankou and took off from HMS Hermes in the Yangtze River.

Of course, Pre-Dreadnoughts and Ironclads traveling on the rivers were much more common, as they were much smaller - the US Civil War and the Paraguay War are perfect examples. And we know that Civ 7 has Ironclads and Pre-Dreadnoughts as naval units, and they are very likely classified as heavy naval units.

 

[PauI]

Looking forward to cheese people with a modern naval civ and sending my carrier groups up their arse.

 

[uppi]

Large warships traveling up rivers are rare but not impossible.

Also, many shipyards are on a river and not on the sea itself. So, many battleships and aircraft carriers had to travel down a river first to get to the sea. Traveling up a river is usually avoided for tactical reasons, not because it is impossible.

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

Also, many shipyards are on a river and not on the sea itself. So, many battleships and aircraft carriers had to travel down a river first to get to the sea. Traveling up a river is usually avoided for tactical reasons, not because it is impossible.

To this point, sailing a battleship up a river when there are any enemy land units in range sounds like a great way to turn your battleship into an artificial island. Even worse if you don't have control of the sky, as there'd be no way for the ship to conduct defensive maneuvers when engaged by enemy aircraft, no way to screen the capital ship with destroyers, etc.

 

[tedhebert]

To this point, sailing a battleship up a river when there are any enemy land units in range sounds like a great way to turn your battleship into an artificial island. Even worse if you don't have control of the sky, as there'd be no way for the ship to conduct defensive maneuvers when engaged by enemy aircraft, no way to screen the capital ship with destroyers, etc.

Great point... Do we have ANY inkling as to what kind of anti-air defenses are going to be available ? Have we (fanatics) dissected the modern age tech tree enough to make assumptions ?

 

[8housesofelixir]

To this point, sailing a battleship up a river when there are any enemy land units in range sounds like a great way to turn your battleship into an artificial island. Even worse if you don't have control of the sky, as there'd be no way for the ship to conduct defensive maneuvers when engaged by enemy aircraft, no way to screen the capital ship with destroyers, etc.

It mainly depends on the firepower from land (or air). For most of human history, sailing a warship up in a river means the warship usually has much better firepower than anything on land, unless there is a specifically built fortress for controlling the waterway (for instance, the great chain across the Golden Horn). As such, a river fleet is incredibly beneficial, for example the Union Mississippi Fleet in the Civil War.

Only in the early 20th century did coastal guns evolve into a much tougher nut to crack (longer range, better defense, more accuracy, much more firepower) and gain the upper hand against warships. In a coastal gun and warship duel, the warship will likely lose, unless the coastal gun is out of range. The sinking of Blücher is such a case. But if the firepower from land is much weaker, even a small gunboat with a 75mm gun can pose a serious threat - and that was how gunboat diplomacy worked.

 

[uppi]

Great point... Do we have ANY inkling as to what kind of anti-air defenses are going to be available ? Have we (fanatics) dissected the modern age tech tree enough to make assumptions ?

As far as I can tell, fighters are the only anti-air defense you get.

 

[tedhebert]

As far as I can tell, fighters are the only anti-air defense you get.

wow... hard to believe that's going to be IT... Maybe some type of naval units have anti-air ?

EDIT: I mean, in past versions, the AI never really built or used air units with any kind of success... but if they want to make THIS version use them, you NEED anti-air defenses of some kind

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

wow... hard to believe that's going to be IT... Maybe some type of naval units have anti-air ?

EDIT: I mean, in past versions, the AI never really built or used air units with any kind of success... but if they want to make THIS version use them, you NEED anti-air defenses of some kind

So it would seem. Although in the Modern livestream, Xerxes had no air units to defend his civ, so it's yet to be seen whether Firaxis lives up to their claim that the AI will use air units.

 

[The_goggles_do_nothing]

There should be another live stream before launch, which could have the anti-air units. There's also only one civ unlock been shown so there's still plenty to talk about.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I think this is one of the Qing UBs

And this is probably the Gusa, unique infantry.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

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And this is probably the Gusa, unique infantry.

What is the word 'Gusa' means? is it Manchurian language or also Chinese? does it means Bannermen?
And Qing Linear Infantry still wears armor even when everybody else stopped doing so huh?

 

[AriochIV]

You can see the UB's together in the UQ in the image at the top of the game guide. Not sure which UB is which.

Huiguan quarter

UB A

UB B

Palace

City Hall

 

[8housesofelixir]

For the Qing UU Gusa "Bannermen," below is a nice reference picture, a portrait of Emperor Qianlong dressing in traditional Manchu armament by Giuseppe Castiglione. Even though this armor is specifically for the imperial use, we can still see the overall
resemblance. This is light metal armor, by the way (all the coloring and patterns are made on a layer of cotton cloth that covers the metal underneath; this layer could also absorb small bullets from the early firearms).

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

Is it the same brigandine as Ming and Joseon soldiers wore?
And did Qing Army still wear these studded brigandines by the time of First Opium War ?

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Don't know if anyone else has mentioned it before, but this may be the first Civ to not feature Gandhi in the base game, which is especially ironic considering this is also the first Civ to explictly showcase leaders who were not heads of state

 

[chaosprophet]

Don't know if anyone else has mentioned it before, but this may be the first Civ to not feature Gandhi in the base game, which is especially ironic considering this is also the first Civ to explictly showcase leaders who were not heads of state

In before Gandhi is in and one of the last leaders with a persona...

 

[Zaarin]

In before Gandhi is in and one of the last leaders with a persona...

It's all fun and games when Mahatma Gandhi spawns next to you, but if it's Nuclear Gandhi with access to nukes in Antiquity, you won't know what hit you.