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[GS] Sneak Peek 4/2

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Eagle Pursuit, Feb 4, 2019.

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  1. Lord Lakely

    Lord Lakely Unintentionally a feminist.

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    I can add Italy, sure (My prefered leader here is Matilda of Tuscany, but I can support Sforza, she was awesome in Assassin's Creed II.)

    Argentina I never gave a [BLEEP] about though, so I'll pass :)
     
  2. Isengardtom

    Isengardtom Chieftain

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    Same for Italy for me.
    Venice as a civ, fine but Italy, no
     
  3. Boris Gudenuf

    Boris Gudenuf Warlord

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    This is a lovely quote that 'Republic of San Montuoso" attributed to me, but I can't take credit for it: not sure how that mis-attribution happened . . .

    We will all hold you to that: your posts have been among the High Points of the entire GS Reveal process.

    James I and VI of England and Scotland is the only one I'd add: while as King of England he never declared war on Scotland, and vice-versa, you could not call the two countries 'friendly' in any of their relationships up to his time or afterwards.

    Unlike later 'British' Leaders in World Wars One and Two, who threw away Australian lives in such profusion that in the latter war the Australian government had to demand that the British not commit any Australian units without the prior approval of the Australian government, such was the level of distrust after such fiascos as Tobruck and Singapore, and earlier, Gallipoli/Suvla Bay.
     
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    Yeah we were too busy fighting a world war, being “Civilized” seemed unimportant.
     
  5. Pietato

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    So one leader, multiple civs? Babylon, Portugal and the Mayans, I presume.
     
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    I would LOVE Matilda if we could find a good way to get her in the game. She’s one of my favorite medieval women. And the historical fiction novel “When Christ and His Saints Slept” is an excellent work on that time period.
     
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    The leader is obviously going to be Eleanor seen we've seen her in the Hall of Fame. I wonder though will her leader abilities be different for when she plays with England or France.
     
  8. Ziad

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    Mary Queen of Scots as leader of France, England, and Scotland. :crazyeye:
     
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  9. Equilin

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    One leader on multiple civs?
    Are we finally seeing the Habsburgs leading every European civs?
    (Or Wladyslaw III (I think) of Bohemia, Poland, and Hungary).
     
  10. PhoenicianGold

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    The more I think about dual leaders the less I like any of the options, mostly because no one fits as well as Eleanor. The only leader I think would make sense as well as make the roster feel "balanced" would be Kublai Khan as a male leader on the Asian continent who also moved capitals, embraced a different culture, and established a new mega dynasty.

    But even that feels off because Mongolia is a DLC civ, so I question the likelihood of even him happening, unless they include Mongolia as a bonus for expack 3.

    Really given that most proposals for dual leaders are all comparable European incest blah that don't actually represent both countries well (or in some cases neither country), I am happy if we just get Eleanor, maybe Kublai, and stick to single civ alt leaders for whatever else the devs add.
     
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  11. Ziad

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    Someone joked but I think if there were a third expansion, they'd use the opportunity for a new type of combination rather than repeat dual leader/dual civ. It's clear they want to push modders to develop such content.

    The idea of using multiple leaders at the same time for one civ has potential. There wouldn't be twice the abilities or anything but you could possibly have two leaders on the screen and activate/deactivate a leader based on what you want to do (at some cost).
     
  12. Boris Gudenuf

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    IF Eleanor turns out to be a popular leader/dual leader/pseudo-leader, then nothing will stop the Firaxiods from giving us more dual or triple-civ leaders wherever they can. If, on the other hand, she is met with resounding lack of interest, we'll hear no more about dual leaders of any kind.

    Either way, I think it misses the point that 'dual leadership' results from either conquest (Kublai, Alexander) or Royal Breeding which is more enthusiastic than selective (Eleanor, the Hapsburgs, et al) and so neither, in game terms, currently exists at all. Conquer another Civ or City State, and it all becomes One Civ with One Leader - no duality possible. And having Immortal Leaders in the game means there is no Royal Breeding of any kind, so that's out, too.

    Frankly, even Eleanor is a 'gimmick' Leader: it all depends on what she brings to either England or France to make her worth playing: her origins are immaterial to the game.
     
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    Well the issue is already mired in so many extent leader choices. It can't be "conquest," or else Alexander, Cyrus, Trajan, etc. all ought to be leaders of several civs. And it can't be royal breeding because then Philip and Frederick and Victoria should all be leaders of several civs as well. So the deliberate limitation is appreciated since so many civs are already represented at the height of their empires, and those empires in question were either acquires by force (which is frankly not very friendly and in line with VI's cheery leader choices) or by coincidence. Either way, in a game where civs are supposed to be represented vicariously by these figurehead personifications, neither represented the "acquired" civ very well. To take an extreme example, it would be like making Hitler an alt leader for Poland; if the Poles didn't even like or benefit from Nazi occupation, they probably shouldn't be represented by it.

    And that is why I think Eleanor hits a nice narrow sweet spot. Even if it is historically an anomaly, in the Civ VI mentality of player choice and agency, she elected to lead both countries. And in spirit of leaders actually representing some cultural aspect of their civ, Eleanor was accepted in both France and England.

    Also since I am living for these expy leader concepts (Hermione, Maui in Moana, Hungary is Game of Thrones aesthetic meets House of Cards music, etc.) her Julie Andrews / Sleeping Beauty designs just tickle me. Firaxis is playing such a smart PR game from the bottom up that I can't help but love even many of their superfluous additions.
     
  14. Pietato

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    Maybe we will have more like this as DLC. Putin as dual leader of Russia and the US, for example.

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    Don’t forget Uncle Phil of Mali... :)

    Back to dual leaders: I agree nor all “rulers of several places” qualify. As you identify, the ruled “civs” must have both benefited somehow of its reign, while keeping a disctintive status and, in general, must keep that leader in high regard in terms of the country/Civ hostory.

    So, civ VI’s Phil II couldn’t pose as leader of the Netherlands, Portugal or England, as is historically seen as a Spain/Spanish empire-focused monarch. However, daddy Charles V of the HRE / I of Spain is much more likely to be a double leader, as he managed in a relatively independent way both its German and Spanish rule (of course, both as allies against France, that was the important thing here... and mostly due to political management diferences, but nevertheles, and maybe due to after his reign being separated again, it can not be said Spain ruled over Germany or Vice-versa)

    Other obvious multiple leader is the Burger King... err, Charlemagne. This one because he didn’t actually rule neither France nor Germany, but a proto-empire that would later be split in these two civs. Its empire did not leave such a cohesive cultural mark to be a strong civ contender per se, but parts of it are inherited by France and Germany, and he as a leader is both regarded as a forefather of France and Germany, thus qualifying, IMHO, to be oferted as a leader for both these Civs.
     
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    Wladyslaw III was only king of Poland and Hungary.

    Wenceslaus III of Bohemia, on the other hand, was king of all three mentioned realms. But given he hasn't done anything significant (except not having a male heir which caused the end of Přemyslid dynasty (which we can't really blame him for - he was assassinated in 16 years, not exactly the right age to have a heir :p)
     
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    Mehmed II for the Ottomans but there is no chance any soon. Maybe next dlc.
     
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    I hope Elanor has interesting abilities, that clearly sets her apart from Victoria and Catherine. Making both England or France different to play, then the original leaders. So far, the other alt leaders, have done so. We'll se in about 70min.
     
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    I was being sarcastic considering the fact that even a cursory read of the thread tells us who it is.

    I changed my mind. I hope it is Napoleon being released. That would be great.

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