Snyder v. Phelps Decided

[civver_764]

Ah....the government didnt step in per se....this was merely the final resting stop as part of a civil lawsuit.....

Are you saying people shouldnt pursue litigation if they feel harassed?

They can sue for anything if they want, but that doesn't mean they should win. Freedom of speech should be very hard to bend.

 

[MobBoss]

They can sue for anything if they want, but that doesn't mean they should win. Freedom of speech should be very hard to bend.

No one is saying it shouldnt. The question is how far does that bend go before it breaks?

 

[civver_764]

No one is saying it shouldnt. The question is how far does that bend go before it breaks?

This clearly does not go that far. The guy apparently didn't even know WBC were present until someone pointed it out to him. He's simply irked that people were making fun of his dead son. While certainly understandable, there's no right to not be offended. People can make fun of dead people if they want, as tasteless as it may be. Be an adult and deal with them without running to the lawsuits. Organize a counter-protest or something creative that sends a much better message.

 

[MobBoss]

This clearly does not go that far. The guy apparently didn't even know WBC were present until someone pointed it out to him. He's simply irked that people were making fun of his dead son. While certainly understandable, there's no right to not be offended. People can make fun of dead people if they want, as tasteless as it may be. Be an adult and deal with them without running to the lawsuits. Organize a counter-protest or something creative that sends a much better message.

If it were really that clear I dont think it would have made it all the way to the supreme court

 

[Ice_Tyrant]

I agree with them.

 

[JollyRoger]

In every, single case where I have been involved in a admin sep case for homosexuality, it was done as a request from the soldier involved and certainly not persecution.

So they don't let you near a contested case?

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

I agree with them.

The court or the church?

 

[Formaldehyde]

In every, single case where I have been involved in a admin sep case for homosexuality, it was done as a request from the soldier involved and certainly not persecution.

Right. They volunteered to be persecuted by obvious homophobes from the jobs they loved.

You really can't rationalize these obviously indefensible acts any more than you can rationalize all the others, which you nevertheless attempt to do.

 

[civver_764]

If it were really that clear I dont think it would have made it all the way to the supreme court

...and then get shot down 8-1.

I think common sense and the law are pretty clear on this one.

 

[Tani Coyote]

They are disgusting human beings for picketing funerals, but it's protected speech nonetheless.

Of course, I hope business owners and whatnot all have the right to refuse service to WBC members.

 

[JollyRoger]

Interesting to note that 4 Justices that slapped down the free speech rights of the Bong Hits 4 Jesus kid (Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, and Kennedy) have come around on the free speech rights of the Baptist church here.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

MobBoss you never responded to my post.

 

[Camikaze]

Seems a fair enough result. You can't expect to be able to stop this kind of speech (disregarding whether you think it should be allowed or not) with such a strong protection of free speech.

 

[JollyRoger]

Protected free speech:

Not protected free speech:

 

[Tani Coyote]

Interesting to note that 4 Justices that slapped down the free speech rights of the Bong Hits 4 Jesus kid (Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, and Kennedy) have come around on the free speech rights of the Baptist church here.

Yet more reason to try and divorce politics from the Court...

 

[Perfection]

Isn't the supreme court fundamentally a political thing?

How could the supreme court be apolitical?

 

[Tani Coyote]

Not having it hostage to the elected branches would work.

In Gran Colombia Simon Bolivar proposed that the judges be hereditary to keep them apolitical.

I think a better idea would be to allot the posts at random to the most senior judges.

 

[civver_764]

Interesting to note that 4 Justices that slapped down the free speech rights of the Bong Hits 4 Jesus kid (Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, and Kennedy) have come around on the free speech rights of the Baptist church here.

You know, it really does seem like recreational marijuana users are some of the most unjustifiably dehumanized members of society. It's completely politically correct to advocate the denial of their rights, whereas doing that for anyone else, even homosexuals, will land you in some trouble.

 

[Camikaze]

Recreational marijuana users are doing something illegal. Probably the key difference with regards to being dehumanised. The illegality is probably largely what causes the dehumanisation.

 

[MobBoss]

So they don't let you near a contested case?

If there had been one, probably would have. But you have to remember, there have only been a couple of thousand of them since DADT was implemented....its not like there are a lot of them on a yearly basis to begin iwht.

Right. They volunteered to be persecuted by obvious homophobes from the jobs they loved.

Simply because you have read a couple of media stories where a handful claim such persecution doesnt mean they were all persecuted. In the cases I worked on, it was simply an easy exit from service and they chose to use it as such.

I'm sorry that runs contrary to your mental image of gays being chased out of the service with pitchforks and torches, but there it is.

You really can't rationalize these obviously indefensible acts any more than you can rationalize all the others, which you nevertheless attempt to do.

I'm simply giving you the truth and facts of part of my job. If you cant handle that, that's not my fault.

...and then get shot down 8-1.

I think common sense and the law are pretty clear on this one.

If SCOTUS had thought it that trivial, they could have chosen to not hear the case at all....