So much for gun control.

[skadistic]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/24/150547.shtml?s=ic

In nations that have taken away its peoples guns voilent crime is on the rise. Canada would rather blame the U.S. then take responcability for leaveing its populous undefended. If a criminal knows you wont fight back they will be less likely to think twice. I dont understand how governments can think that disarming every body will disarm the criminals. Criminals don't care if the owning of a firearm is a crime. The U.N. wants to disarm all but the worlds police and armies. Thats a bad idea. I believe every man has a right to defend his life, family and property by what ever means deemed reasonable. If some punk is robbing your house and gets a barrle full of buck shot to his chest so be it. He shouldn't have been there in the first place.

 

[Rik Meleet]

Because Canada (1 nation) has a higher crimerate you dare to state that "In nations that have taken away its peoples guns voilent crime is on the rise." ???

 

[nonconformist]

London has the world's lowest capital crime rate.

 

[Little Raven]

Canada is hardly an unarmed populace. The guns per capita of Canada is second only to the United States in the Western world.

 

[MobBoss]

Rik, we have discussed this one before. Several other nations with gun control have higher violent crime rates than the US.

No guns = less murders, but > violent crime seems to be the trend.

Apparently, people are more prone to pull a knife and stick you without killing you than blowing you away with a pistol.

 

[Gelion]

What other countries in the world allow citizens to have guns?

 

[Leonel]

London has the world's lowest capital crime rate.

What about overall crime?

 

[Bugfatty300]

What other countries in the world allow citizens to have guns?

Canada, Switzerland, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Israel, Ausralia, New Zealand Brazil among others. Those are just off the top of my head.

Some are more stricter than others, but for the most part a good citizen can own and keep a firearm.

Israel and, Canada and Switzerland have higher gun-ownership rates than the US I believe.

 

[nonconformist]

What about overall crime?

I mean out of all the world's captials, crime is lowest in London (or violent crime, anyway)

 

[Masquerouge]

The U.N. wants to disarm all but the worlds police and armies. Thats a bad idea.

AH ah ah. And the UN is run by Jews, no ?

I believe every man has a right to defend his life, family and property by what ever means deemed reasonable. If some punk is robbing your house and gets a barrle full of buck shot to his chest so be it. He shouldn't have been there in the first place.

In some countries, like the United States, there is a general mistrust of the federal government, and people are more willing to defend themselves by having guns than by counting on the police.
In other countries, such as France, people have much more trust in the government, and don't see the need to get a firearm because for them the dangers of having one in the house outweighs the benefits.

These two approaches are cultural. They are the result of long historical processes. And when you compare the crime rate, I dare you to say one is better than the other : it really is a matter of preference.

 

[Leonel]

I mean out of all the world's captials, crime is lowest in London (or violent crime, anyway)

Oh that's wonderful.

Can I then assume that the rest of the country has a pretty low crime rate as well?

 

[HannibalBarka]

... I believe every man has a right to defend his life, family and property by what ever means deemed reasonable....

Is a AK47 reasonable? and a Bazooka? what about an ICBM?

 

[nonconformist]

Oh that's wonderful.

Can I then assume that the rest of the country has a pretty low crime rate as well?

Generally, thought I wouldn't suggest going into central Nottingham, becase it's probably the most violent place in the UK, and there are a lot of shootings a lot=more than other places)

 

[Bugfatty300]

I mean out of all the world's captials, crime is lowest in London (or violent crime, anyway)

Which doesn't say much considering your country on a whole has the worst violent crime rate in the developed world. Almost tripple the rate that the US has.

 

[Leonel]

Generally, thought I wouldn't suggest going into central Nottingham, becase it's probably the most violent place in the UK, and there are a lot of shootings a lot=more than other places)

I'll definately make a note of that for when I visit the British isles. Thanks for the tip!

 

[CrazyScientist]

In some countries, like the United States, there is a general mistrust of the federal government, and people are more willing to defend themselves by having guns than by counting on the police.
In other countries, such as France, people have much more trust in the government, and don't see the need to get a firearm because for them the dangers of having one in the house outweighs the benefits.

In my experience, at least in the US, the people who are most rabid about preserving gun rights to protect themselves from the government are often the same people who believe that it's ok for the government to spy on its citizens. Ironically, the right to own guns would be useless as a protection measure without the right to free communication and privacy. People on the left and the right would be safer from tyranny if they realised that all the amendments in the bill of rights are there for our protection. This does not exclude the second amendment, but does not refer exclusively to the second amendment either.

 

[skadistic]

Is a AK47 reasonable? and a Bazooka? what about an ICBM?

Your statement implies wars between nations. And when that happens I say yes. Isreal has tanks planes and missles, She uses it to defend herself. Take it away and do you thing the Arabs would just do nothing. Arab nations don't invade beacus they will lose. The same is applied to a more personable level: a criminal wont mug you if you have a .38 on your hip. You'll still have the stupid or insane that dont care if you kill them like homicide bombers on a suicide mission or a cracked out junky.

 

[Gelion]

I think he meant such things in private ownership skadistic

 

[Bugfatty300]

Gun bans do not lower the homicide rate. Nor does allowing citizens to own guns bring more homicide deaths.

For example, Russia and South Africa has some of the highest murder rates in the world. Guns are 100% banned in those countries.

Switzerland and Israel had the lowest homicide rates in the world and in those countries, own a machine gun is almost manditory.

http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html

 

[skadistic]

Well then I quess an AK is ok but RPGs and ICBMs may be a bit to much. You should be alowed to have the same fire power as the crooks. And they have automatic rifles and SMGs.