So much for gun control.

[skadistic]

Whos sig says that 70 somethig % of statistics are made up?


Bottom line is crime has risen when gun ownership is taken away. U.S. crime rates are higher because we have people,more poor,more desprair,more drugs,more dealers,more gangs,more users, and more metro areas. If the U.S. were to take away guns thoes numbers would skyrocket.

 

[pboily]

Whos sig says that 70 somethig % of statistics are made up?

In this particular case, they sure were. But you're the one who brought it up in the first place.

Bottom line is crime has risen when gun ownership is taken away. U.S. crime rates are higher because we have people,more poor,more desprair,more drugs,more dealers,more gangs,more users, and more metro areas. If the U.S. were to take away guns thoes numbers would skyrocket.

Can you give us stats for that?

 

[Bronx Warlord]

There are basically two categories that are universal: murders and homicides. You don't do so well in those.

This is the home of the wild west, 20's and 30's Chicago, NYC of the 70's... look at our pop culture, our movies and such. We are a rather violent people. Home of gangster rap at that.

Yet your home is safer in the US apprently, go figure... and whats up with that Arson rate?

 

[jameson]

Whos sig says that 70 somethig % of statistics are made up?

But you prefer the the made-up statistics that say crime rises when guns are taken away over the ones that don't, no ?

Bottom line is crime has risen when gun ownership is taken away.

At least in Canada, it hasn't.

 

[Bronx Warlord]

There are probably close to 76 million in the United States.

So now about 1 in 4 in the US own a handgun?

 

[pboily]

I understand it's a lost cause, but it means you're three times more likely to be murdered in the States than in Canada, but that I'm 1.45 times more likely to have my house burn.

Other countries' violent crime rates are high because the definition of Violent Crimes in other countries in more inclusive than those of the US: when we use the US definitions only (so what you folks consider violent crimes) our rates go down.

Conclusion: you accept more violent crimes as just regular/ run-of-the-mill crime. What you posted is a warning to your fellow Americans to not compare their rates to other countries and conclude it makes them look good better than they really are.

 

[Bugfatty300]

I understand it's a lost cause, but it means you're three times more likely to be murdered in the States than in Canada, but that I'm 1.45 times more likely to have my house burn.

Other countries' violent crime rates are high because the definition of Violent Crimes in other countries in more inclusive than those of the US: when we use the US definitions only (so what you folks consider violent crimes) our rates go down.

Conclusion: you accept more violent crimes as just regular/ run-of-the-mill crime.

I doubt that is the case. Spitting on someone in the US can be considered a violent crime. With that fact, the US should have more violent crimes by definition.

 

[Bronx Warlord]

I understand it's a lost cause, but it means you're three times more likely to be murdered in the States than in Canada, but that I'm 1.45 times more likely to have my house burn.

Since we are tossing around figures... you know who you are most likely to be murdered by? I understand it's a lost cause though, right?

Back on gun control

Firearms are used in more suicides than homicides. In 1998, 57% of all gun deaths were suicides, and 39% were homicides.

Looks like people, and not guns, are the real killers... suprise. I for one was under the impression guns wielded themselves and aimed center mass.

 

[pboily]

I doubt that is the case. Spitting on someone in the US can be considered a violent crime. With that fact, the US should have more violent crimes by definition.

Again, using the American definition (so that assuming whatever is considered a violent crime in the US is also considered a violent crime in other countries ((so with the exact same definitions)), the US has more violent crime: see figures provided by Bronx.

As an aside, I don't think it has to do with gun control/gun ownership. I think it's a cultural thing, and as I've mentioned above, we're not doing so well either: getting kicked in the balls three times is better than getting kicked in the balls 5 times, but it still hurts like hell.

@Bronx: Sorry, I'm an a-hole.

 

[Bronx Warlord]

I can respect a " rear exit hole " who has some facts and a witty spin on it, don't worry my feelings are not hurt. I'm the guy who was banned for racial hatred after all

I agree it comes down to a cultural thing for sure, Americans in general are a pretty violent people when you look at our culture ( or lack of it depending on how you feel ). I think the reasons gun are used to much is cause they are eazy and quick. BANG. All over.

It takes a real thug or homicidal rage to stab someone to death, up close and personal. Look at statistics for hand to hand combat sometime, people will take a beating rather than fight in many cases. Look at commentary from combat veterans about bayonet fighting too, and that is from people trained to kill the enemy.

 

[Tenochtitlan]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/24/150547.shtml?s=ic

In nations that have taken away its peoples guns voilent crime is on the rise. Canada would rather blame the U.S. then take responcability for leaveing its populous undefended. If a criminal knows you wont fight back they will be less likely to think twice. I dont understand how governments can think that disarming every body will disarm the criminals. Criminals don't care if the owning of a firearm is a crime. The U.N. wants to disarm all but the worlds police and armies. Thats a bad idea. I believe every man has a right to defend his life, family and property by what ever means deemed reasonable. If some punk is robbing your house and gets a barrle full of buck shot to his chest so be it. He shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Wow. I just changed my mind on this subject 180°. I didn't think of it this way. I remember debating this with MobBoss and others and now I completely alter my viewpoint.

 

[Zoso318]

Is a AK47 reasonable? and a Bazooka? what about an ICBM?

You cant win a revolution with pistols.