Some Roman Units

[Bakuel]

Thanks for the pic mamba! I just found these other pics that may go well with that blue shirt rifleman,
Here is a “Major of the Guides”

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/112496/Major_of_Guides_Kingdom_of_Italy_.jpg
Though I have no idea what a Major of the Guide is? What is a Guide? Someone to show you around correct? Now why would the Italian military have tourist guides and how would one gain the rank of major in such a job

Anyhow, I also found this early alpini officer,
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/112496/Alpini_Officer_Italy_1875.jpg

And I found what I think is some calvary (dragoni?) from ww 1, (he’s the one wearing the metal helmet)
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/112496/Illustrierte_Geschichte_-_Uniforms_005.jpg

Mind you, Niknaks wants me to start on some other units other then Italy, so this will probably have to wait a bit before they are made.

 

[bernie14]

WOW...i just saw these...GREAT units!

 

[cybrxkhan]

how about Roman futuristic robot war machines?

 

[Wolfshanze]

how about Roman futuristic robot war machines?

What do you want... a transformer with a crested helmet?

 

[mamba]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/112496/Major_of_Guides_Kingdom_of_Italy_.jpg
Though I have no idea what a Major of the Guide is? What is a Guide? Someone to show you around correct? Now why would the Italian military have tourist guides and how would one gain the rank of major in such a job

Google is an amazing thing, Guide is short for Guide infantry (or Guide cavallery, both existed), searching for 'corps of guides' finally lead me to wikipedia. From wikipedia :

In European wars up to the time of the French Revolution, the absence of large-scale detailed maps made local guides almost essential to the direction of military operations. In the 18th century the stricter organization of military resources led in various countries to the special training of guide officers (called Feldjäger, and considered as general staff officers in the Prussian army), who had the primary duty of finding, and if necessary establishing, routes across country.

The necessity for such guides died away when adequate surveys (in the preparation of which guide officers were, at any rate in the Kingdom of Prussia, freely employed) became available. The genesis of the “ Guides” regiments is perhaps to be found in a short-lived Corps of Guides formed by Napoleon in Italy in 1796, which appears to have been a personal escort or body guard composed of men who knew the country.

Following the unification of Italy in 1870-71, the new national army included a regiment designated as Guides - the 19th Cavalleggieri (Light Horse). This was disbanded shortly after the end of World War I, at a time of reductions in the Italian cavalry.


I believe the last paragraph is for your guide.

 

[cybrxkhan]

What do you want... a transformer with a crested helmet?

sure. why not?

 

[Bakuel]

@Bernie Thanks for the compliment!
@ cybrxkhan I think the real question is, what type of vehicle would a Roman Transformer turn into? After all, it must be a vehicle that carries a certain amount of prestige... This is the roman empire were talking about.

Thanks for the info mamba! I guess that would be the cavalry, now all we need is a grenadier (if Italy ever even had grenadiers). If push comes to shove, the grenadier could use the same model as the rifleman of course.

 

[mamba]

Any chance of getting a chariot (and maybe even war elephant) for your roman units ? these seem to be the only ancient / medieval units missing.

 

[NikNaks]

The normal chariot seems to be pretty Roman to me...

 

[mamba]

Yes, a reskin would be enough I guess

 

[Bakuel]

Well, the reason I didn’t bother making a chariot was because I was a fan of danrell’s roman chariot plus I really couldn’t think up anything that much different from what he made. Also, if I tried making something before the roman empire (ancient Italy) it would probably look very similar to vanilla chariot anyway.
As for the war elephant, I may make a roman war elephant if I can think of anything unique.

 

[Uhlan]

Bakuel,

the Italians did indeed have grenadiers as we have come to know them. though the units termed grenadiers in civ are a mix of 17th and very early 18th century units which actually used grenades. And the later units which used the term as measurement of prestige. I have always hated seeing the civ grenadiers garbed in Napoleonic era dress tossing bombs... Since that is what civ has well...

The Grenadiers in the Army of Northern Italy (the south was still the kingdom of Naples) wore the exact same uniform as represented in the game, but in the Italian tri-colors.

http://www.histofig.com/images/empire/italie01.jpg

Grenadiers of that era almost all looked the same.

The real Bomb throwing Grenadiers were clad like this... er somewhat. Though, these are british.

http://www.geocities.com/ancasta1/grenadiers.htm

 

[Bakuel]

@Uhlan
Thanks for the info and pics! I'm a bit disappointed though, all this needs is just a reskin and a head modification maybe of the vanilla grenadier. Oh well, all the easier for me I suppose.

I also found some pics of Italian medieval troops... I might just make a full Italian set if I get the time...

 

[NikNaks]

No! That'll make people have to choose

 

[Wolfshanze]

No! That'll make people have to choose

I'm already mixing and matching units between Danrell's and these. Both sets are excellent.

 

[mamba]

I'd like for both sets to be complete in the ancient / medieval timeframe, if Bakuel releases italian renaissance units, danrell's set will be my italian ancient / medieval set (that's why I asked about a Bakuel chariot in the first place)

 

[Uhlan]

Bakuel,

BTW, the "average" Italian grenadier looked like 1b in that link above.

Lol, just thought I'd mention that.

Is it possible to have Italy form from some revolting (ah, no pun intended) Roman city?

Funny, both Germany and Italy benefited from both the Austro-Prussian War in 1866 and the Franco-Prussian War in 1870 to finally gather the pieces together to form into nations (Italy had some brief independence during the Napoleonic era.). Though in Germany it took quite a while before units from the former independent states to finally coalesce into the German Army.

 

[SilverKnight]

These are great! Reminds me of Pax Romana...

SilverKnight