spies, continued
- Thread starter Admiral Kutzov
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I can only play tomorow the earliest, so swaping is ok with me.
If the consens is going after freddie I have no problem with that. My thoughts are mostly just, well, Idiot thoughts, spoken out loud anyway. By no means take them too serious, I´m only telling some of my brain slime.
But sooner or later it would be great to tickle the AI with some silly spy actions, like blowing up their happyness, poison their water or revolt them to useless civics, just for kicks, to retaliate what they´ve done to me so much times.
If the consens is going after freddie I have no problem with that. My thoughts are mostly just, well, Idiot thoughts, spoken out loud anyway. By no means take them too serious, I´m only telling some of my brain slime.
But sooner or later it would be great to tickle the AI with some silly spy actions, like blowing up their happyness, poison their water or revolt them to useless civics, just for kicks, to retaliate what they´ve done to me so much times.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
steal cheap techs. expand up the west coast (but not too fast). set up to attack Freddie.
Mitiu Ioan, no worries. I think remember having a social life at one time.
sorry if this is
, but don't forget to weight the spy points.
Mitiu Ioan, no worries. I think remember having a social life at one time.
sorry if this is
, but don't forget to weight the spy points.Summary:
2 New cities (from dotmap)
Maths.
Our first great spy!
We can see Freddies research - he has just finished Calendar.
Ended up backsettling - seemed easy and sensible at the time - the army is on the way for west coast expansion.
Made an executive decision to research Alphabet - so we can go spying.
Hope these 2 things are OK - they seemed sensible at the time...
In a fit of stupidity, I realise I have 2 workers chopping out a calendar resource we can't use yet. Sorry!
The Full report:
Commentsfor next person:
The Great Spy is unmoved - it has not wasted any turns. Was 99% certain it is to be settled in Idiot Academy, but left it for discussion.
We are 7 turns from Alphabet at 60% running a profit.
Think we should hold off on taking the barb city till at least one more Ziggurat has finished.
Enjoy it!
General comment:
It's weird - the Ziggurats are more expensive than organised Courthouses, but they feel like a better deal to me. Perhaps I need more sleep or something?
2 New cities (from dotmap)
Maths.
Our first great spy!
We can see Freddies research - he has just finished Calendar.
Ended up backsettling - seemed easy and sensible at the time - the army is on the way for west coast expansion.
Made an executive decision to research Alphabet - so we can go spying.
Hope these 2 things are OK - they seemed sensible at the time...
In a fit of stupidity, I realise I have 2 workers chopping out a calendar resource we can't use yet. Sorry!
The Full report:
Spoiler :
Commentsfor next person:
The Great Spy is unmoved - it has not wasted any turns. Was 99% certain it is to be settled in Idiot Academy, but left it for discussion.
We are 7 turns from Alphabet at 60% running a profit.
Think we should hold off on taking the barb city till at least one more Ziggurat has finished.
Enjoy it!
General comment:
It's weird - the Ziggurats are more expensive than organised Courthouses, but they feel like a better deal to me. Perhaps I need more sleep or something?
Beorn-eL-Feared
Idiot riding pedals
Zigs are hybrid, halfway from normal CH's but they're more early-game-oracle-gambit-friendly.
Agree on Gspy in our big commerce city, the capital (bureaucracy anyone?)
Agree on Gspy in our big commerce city, the capital (bureaucracy anyone?)
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
Looks good. Agree with casanova going to the capital to woo the ladies. Need to start thinking about how we will be using the spies when alpha comes in.
Just checking, everyone, knows about WFYABTA and won't be trading alpha for archery, mono and something else?
Revised roster:
beorn - found 2 metal!
mitiu -up
wenz - on deck
trivial - Just played very well
ak - recovering from that triposomething chemical in turkey
Just checking, everyone, knows about WFYABTA and won't be trading alpha for archery, mono and something else?
Revised roster:
beorn - found 2 metal!
mitiu -up
wenz - on deck
trivial - Just played very well
ak - recovering from that triposomething chemical in turkey
Mîtiu Ioan
Deity
I'll take a look over the save this evening.
Regards
Regards
Mîtiu Ioan
Deity
O.k. - I played my turns ( 10 or 11 - not sure, because I feel that is necessary to disscus a little bit the next steps ).
Good news : We captured Scythian on NE of our empire without any loss. Didn't rename it - this is left for disscusion too ...
Bad news : Our north woodsman warrior was lost to a barbarian archer. In fact here was something strange. Freddy seems to be constantly harrashed by barbarians ( which pillaged his copper and so on ). I left the security of a forest in order to cross a plain and I choos to enter Freddy's land where I supposed I'll be safe. Wrong move - I entered exactely near a barb archer.
General situation : Researched Alphabet. Our first spy was trained in Cretinberg and wait there unmoved. Researched Sailing - we have a lot of costal city so this could really help ( anyway it was a cheap tech - 3 or 4 turns ). Because Freddy already research Monarchy - which I found due to incredible performance of Cassanova to German ambassador wife in capital ... 
- I belive that we could aim for Civil Service now ... and after another hot night Cassanova will found out the secrets of hmmm ... something related with kings, queen and their crowns ... 
Finnishing one more Ziggurat - so the research rate is stable now at 70% ( even after adding Scythian to our empire we are exactely at the edge ). However maybe will be a good ideea to start accumulating some spy-points too. Finnished a temple in Idiot Academy - so happiness limit is at 8 now.
A stupid mistake - didn't try to do any tech-trade.
That's all for the moment ... I'll attach a save with our new city ... and the save.
Regards all and please feel free to criticise any of my decision.
Good news : We captured Scythian on NE of our empire without any loss.
Didn't rename it - this is left for disscusion too ...Bad news : Our north woodsman warrior was lost to a barbarian archer. In fact here was something strange. Freddy seems to be constantly harrashed by barbarians ( which pillaged his copper and so on ). I left the security of a forest in order to cross a plain and I choos to enter Freddy's land where I supposed I'll be safe. Wrong move - I entered exactely near a barb archer.
General situation : Researched Alphabet. Our first spy was trained in Cretinberg and wait there unmoved. Researched Sailing - we have a lot of costal city so this could really help ( anyway it was a cheap tech - 3 or 4 turns ).
Because Freddy already research Monarchy - which I found due to incredible performance of Cassanova to German ambassador wife in capital ... - I belive that we could aim for Civil Service now ... and after another hot night Cassanova will found out the secrets of hmmm ... something related with kings, queen and their crowns ... Finnishing one more Ziggurat - so the research rate is stable now at 70% ( even after adding Scythian to our empire we are exactely at the edge ). However maybe will be a good ideea to start accumulating some spy-points too. Finnished a temple in Idiot Academy - so happiness limit is at 8 now.
A stupid mistake - didn't try to do any tech-trade.
That's all for the moment ... I'll attach a save with our new city ... and the save.
Regards all and please feel free to criticise any of my decision.
Beorn-eL-Feared
Idiot riding pedals
Looking good
The warrior in german land was a good call, it just didn't work. Shi† happens.
Not trading wasn't bad; IIRC tech trading is off altogether.
Scythian was founded on rice, it's not the best location one could find ... we can't disband cities in civ4 now, can we? Or we could gift it to Freddy, start a war ...
As for spy points, we do need them but the slider is not the solution.
The warrior in german land was a good call, it just didn't work. Shi† happens.
Not trading wasn't bad; IIRC tech trading is off altogether.
Scythian was founded on rice, it's not the best location one could find ... we can't disband cities in civ4 now, can we? Or we could gift it to Freddy, start a war ...
As for spy points, we do need them but the slider is not the solution.
Good turns there! Nicely done adding a new city!
Hell, no probs with the scout - I'd have thought he was safe there too, but what can ya do!
Wonder if freddies barbarian issues are partly down to the great wall? That might be pushing them into his territory?
I think spy specialists offer much more bang for the buck right now than the slider does?
Hell, no probs with the scout - I'd have thought he was safe there too, but what can ya do!
Wonder if freddies barbarian issues are partly down to the great wall? That might be pushing them into his territory?
I think spy specialists offer much more bang for the buck right now than the slider does?
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
all those barbs that can't enter our borders are visiting Freddy.
Tech trading is turned on. Bede had it set for no tech brokering in WH-02. I took that restriction away.
We'll just have to live with it.
Haven't opened the save yet. what's the state of our military?
Had a brief look at the save, will play tomorrow.
Heres our military:
some random thoughts:
- dont like warriors in our cities as its now christs birthday, even with great wall better units are preferred
- what was our statement on the pyramids? would take ~20 turns in the cap, I´m not sure it would give us much
- civil service research is fine with me, it will take my entire turnset
- don´t bother with no tech trading, Mitiu, there is only archery and mono available
- on foreign affairs, I´d like to become Hindu when possible, because Gandhi and Pericles are following that faith, what do You guys think?
Heres our military:
some random thoughts:
- dont like warriors in our cities as its now christs birthday, even with great wall better units are preferred
- what was our statement on the pyramids? would take ~20 turns in the cap, I´m not sure it would give us much
- civil service research is fine with me, it will take my entire turnset
- don´t bother with no tech trading, Mitiu, there is only archery and mono available
- on foreign affairs, I´d like to become Hindu when possible, because Gandhi and Pericles are following that faith, what do You guys think?
Beorn-eL-Feared
Idiot riding pedals
We have Hereditary rule, don't we? That does it for me: no need for pyramids. We'll capture them later.
Peri and Gandhi make it sound like Shiva is the winning number.
Peri and Gandhi make it sound like Shiva is the winning number.
I think some better units is no bad idea. Like to keep the warriors for MP duty with hereditary rule. But I kinda prefer to put decent stuff on potential frontlines or areas an AI could reach in a turn or two with galleys.
Agreed on the mids - 20 turns is a long investment for +3 beakers per spy.
CS sounds fine - we have a strong capital/weaker other cities, which would make it pay well.
Think Hindu or no religion both work well. Although if we build up our military we could happily go confucian - with a decent military we have nothing to fear from those 2 goons - we don't need to trade as we're going to steal all their tech anyway?
Agreed on the mids - 20 turns is a long investment for +3 beakers per spy.
CS sounds fine - we have a strong capital/weaker other cities, which would make it pay well.
Think Hindu or no religion both work well. Although if we build up our military we could happily go confucian - with a decent military we have nothing to fear from those 2 goons - we don't need to trade as we're going to steal all their tech anyway?
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
this early, I like to save the spy points to start revolts in the city right before the attack.
preturn: first, some criticism:
-the brand new captured barb city wont need monument, we are creative, change it to granary
- I see 4 workers around Scumhampton, while they lack in other locations
- why is there a cottage on the dye near happytowne?
So what I do:
+ micromanage our cities a bit and start a settler in our capital for future great idiot farm
+ send the sitting spy to germany
+ change research to archery, due in only 1 turn
+ Cretinburg resumes building half finished temple for happyness
+ I see the point with all that ziggurats under construction, we want spy points, so I leave these
->press enter
turn 1: archery finishes, onto civil service
Happytowne finishes barracks, start building some archers
change espionage spending, gandhi and pericles get 1 point each as a gift
turn 2: our workboat in india has finished its exploring duty, I delete it to save money
freddi finished monarchy, after some debate I trade it for CoL, so he can build us some courthouses in his cities
immediately revolt to hereditary rule (we can switch to caste when we revolt to bureaucrazy)
turn 3:
turn 4: I secretly choped a forrest for the library in Scumhampton, it gets doubled ´cause we are creative!!
turn 5: Scumhampton finishes lib, start granary and switch to full growth, I will whip it at size 4
thinking about it, I have set all of our cities on growth since we are monarchs
turn 6: Idiot Acadamy finishes settler, starts on another worker, sry for not growing the cottages for another 3 turns
turn 7: GreatIdiot Farm founded + trade Clams to gandhi for Gems!!
turn 8: Cretinburg finishes temple, goes back on military duty
turn 9:
turn 10 attempt to steal calendar from freddy after waiting for 50% discount -- failed OMG !!, start 2 new spies pronto
+ whip granny in Scumhampton
turn 11: I have built 6 archers by now for defense, time to go on the offense, start our first swordsmen at the Acadany
turn 12: after burning 40 gold our research is back at break even @ 60%
turn 13: gandhi wants Alphabet as a gift, I give it to him as everybody knows it and it improves our relations bigtime
+ whip a granny at Sea Views
turn 14: our 4 biggest cities finish their buildings, so this is a good time to stop playing
summary:
- I built fine archers for city protection, and granarys in our new cities for faster growth.
- Civil service will be finished in 2 turns, maybe metal casting next??
- Spies are on road to germany, trying to steal calendar and construction if possible
- Start building an Army. We are paying 6gpt for units as of now, maybe delete and/or upgrade some warriors?
- Happyness is no problem now, but health is (but fish will be online soon)
-the brand new captured barb city wont need monument, we are creative, change it to granary
- I see 4 workers around Scumhampton, while they lack in other locations
- why is there a cottage on the dye near happytowne?
So what I do:
+ micromanage our cities a bit and start a settler in our capital for future great idiot farm
+ send the sitting spy to germany
+ change research to archery, due in only 1 turn
+ Cretinburg resumes building half finished temple for happyness
+ I see the point with all that ziggurats under construction, we want spy points, so I leave these
->press enter
turn 1: archery finishes, onto civil service
Happytowne finishes barracks, start building some archers
change espionage spending, gandhi and pericles get 1 point each as a gift
turn 2: our workboat in india has finished its exploring duty, I delete it to save money
freddi finished monarchy, after some debate I trade it for CoL, so he can build us some courthouses in his cities
immediately revolt to hereditary rule (we can switch to caste when we revolt to bureaucrazy)
turn 3:
turn 4: I secretly choped a forrest for the library in Scumhampton, it gets doubled ´cause we are creative!!
turn 5: Scumhampton finishes lib, start granary and switch to full growth, I will whip it at size 4
thinking about it, I have set all of our cities on growth since we are monarchs
turn 6: Idiot Acadamy finishes settler, starts on another worker, sry for not growing the cottages for another 3 turns
turn 7: GreatIdiot Farm founded + trade Clams to gandhi for Gems!!
turn 8: Cretinburg finishes temple, goes back on military duty
turn 9:
turn 10 attempt to steal calendar from freddy after waiting for 50% discount -- failed OMG !!, start 2 new spies pronto
+ whip granny in Scumhampton
turn 11: I have built 6 archers by now for defense, time to go on the offense, start our first swordsmen at the Acadany
turn 12: after burning 40 gold our research is back at break even @ 60%
turn 13: gandhi wants Alphabet as a gift, I give it to him as everybody knows it and it improves our relations bigtime
+ whip a granny at Sea Views
turn 14: our 4 biggest cities finish their buildings, so this is a good time to stop playing
summary:
- I built fine archers for city protection, and granarys in our new cities for faster growth.
- Civil service will be finished in 2 turns, maybe metal casting next??
- Spies are on road to germany, trying to steal calendar and construction if possible
- Start building an Army. We are paying 6gpt for units as of now, maybe delete and/or upgrade some warriors?
- Happyness is no problem now, but health is (but fish will be online soon)
Beorn-eL-Feared
Idiot riding pedals
For the raised point: there is a cottage near Happytowne on dyes because we have some dyes anyways up there and plantations don't come for a while.
Btw do we lose those spy points when we get a steal?
Good job with the happy juice, now we can go big.
Btw do we lose those spy points when we get a steal?
Good job with the happy juice, now we can go big.
Nice turns there Wenz - that gems deal is a really nice bonus!
Closing in nicely on the all powerful Civil Service...
Do like that great idiot farm - that's gonna be great!
We don't AFAIK. Which is good!
Given that I played 2 sets ago, is it AKs turn? Just checking as I'm unsure what the roster would do now.
Closing in nicely on the all powerful Civil Service...
Do like that great idiot farm - that's gonna be great!
We don't AFAIK. Which is good!
Given that I played 2 sets ago, is it AKs turn? Just checking as I'm unsure what the roster would do now.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
I have it. we will be back on regular revised roster after my set. Unless there is great dissension amongts us, I think I'll start gearing up for war. I'd have put the hammers into vultures rather than archers, but that's just me.
I'm pretty sure EP is like money. You use it and it goes away. will try to get a screenie of this.
anectdotal - better chance of stealing in non-capital. I forget why. then again, I may be nuts.
I'm pretty sure EP is like money. You use it and it goes away. will try to get a screenie of this.
anectdotal - better chance of stealing in non-capital. I forget why. then again, I may be nuts.
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