spies, continued

[wenz]

random thoughts:
- our cities are smaller than before, but this was an investment and will pay off eventually.
- when we continue the research on archery, it might have been a mistake to start a granary instead of some barracks in Cretinberg. But there is a chop coming in soon (there was an odd number of forrests, so please cool down ), so it doesnt matter much.
- I didnt find any new neighbors, but there has to be at least one more on our continent I think
- Our next city should go north soon, I left that honor to AK, as i´m glad he is ok again
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Roster:

wenz - just played
Admiral Kutzov - up now !!
Beorn-eL-Feared - scrubbing the deck
---- our new roster starts here??

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

New city to gold sounds good.

Granary early is never a mistake - we don't need all that much XP on protective archers anyways. We'll need more when it comes to axes... which we'll want very soon. I'd definitely do Iron next.

As for chops, I like them for the wonder rushing qualities but it makes sense to use them for early growth also. Early shields are more valuable a piece than later ones, but then later ones can be more timely. Here, with a wonder already that slowed our growth down, I have no problem with it at all.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

sweet. we have the wall! I killed the bug with that well known bug killer, happy juice. I will take this up over morning coffee in about 12 hours. And oh, yes, I've gots it.

Not that it will happen in my set, but when we pop the GS, scotland yard or plant it for plus 12?

@wenz, no worries.

OT, does anyone have a cure for inlaws? gotta face them in about 5 days...

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

This early, I'd be tempted by +12.

 

[TriviAl]

Nicely done there Wenz!

My inclination would be - the first GSp settled in our spying city (wherever that will be). Use the 2nd great spy to put a Scotland Yard there.


Not sure if it wanders too far towards cheese, but we could spy bomb the germans and steal all their research - assuming they have anything worth nicking, that is?

Personally figure the early spy bomb is in the kinda borderline exploit territory, but there are worse things in the world?

 

[Mîtiu Ioan]

Nicely done there Wenz!

My inclination would be - the first GSp settled in our spying city (wherever that will be). Use the 2nd great spy to put a Scotland Yard there.

Good turn. Is nice to notice the barbarian archer which couldn't jump the Wall to our unprotected worker ...
I also agree with this proposals - BTW.

Let's build Dumby Happiness too asap ...

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

Let's build Dumby Happiness too asap ...

oops, played before I read this. feel free to change the name.

I spend some time staring at the map. Finally Igor points out the rice. By moving city three to east of the dyes, we make a home for our future vacations.

apparently the SE is Mordor or such. there's been a steady parade of barbs up the east coast, following in general the red path.

Turn
66: feel confident that Freddie isn't Monte, so change archery to Myst. Minnow sailing north.
67: worker stuff
68: worker stuff
69: Cretinberg starts a library
70: myst -> poly
71: finish chopping a settler in the Academy.
72: worker moves
73: Cretinberg starts a rax
74: worker moves
75: Happytowne built. Meet Pericles. cool helmet, but you're better looking with it on.

76: open borders with Pericles.
77: poly -> priest
78: worker moves
79: Cretinberg starts something that I forgot to write down
80: apparently the students at the Idiot Academy have too much time on their hands. idiot academy grows and becomes unhappy. Barbs caused some issues hooking up the gold until the border of Happytowne popped. I whip a monument. IIRC.

Next set is going to be intense. need to get a ziggurat up in Cretinberg and put a spy to work. also think we should MM the academy for production for a few turns and try to chop oracle in it. My vote goes for IW after priesthood (presuming we have writing). Might as well take a shot at CoL slingshot.

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[Admiral Kutzov]

Revised roster
beorn
mitiu
wenz
trivial
ak

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

when the first GS is built, I vote for joining him to the city. when the second is built, use him for scotland yard. I forgot to change the weight of our spy points. I feel we should weight Freddie one at this point.

OT - this got delayed because I was playing a solo game. seoul was taken by the barbs circa turn twenty! Never saw that before.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Ack, settled already. Ok. Would've liked to suggest moving it 1S from your proposed spot but with rice food we might be better off the way it is now.

Spy points towards Freddy, Oracle if possible, get IW and a worker or two.

Got it, holding on for comments.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

Would've liked to suggest moving it 1S from your proposed spot but with rice food we might be better off the way it is now.

One of the reasons I did it was to box Freddy and try to channel his growth away from us.

 

[wenz]

I like the spots of Your cities. This way we get all the tasty ressources, we can rack our heads about the south later.
Agree with settling the first Commander Bond, Spy bomb wouldnt get us anything without alphabet right now. I think he would live more comfortable in Idiot elephant poo Acadamy, so his beakers can help research more.
After then, one or two espionage points aggainst pericles wouldnt hurt, but most of them we can gift freddie.
Just asking - did You really build a monument? :O

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Monument is required for the Oracle IIRC, that's why.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

GS in Cretinburg generates +12. Also adds points to the +2 GW is doing. once the Z is built, cretinburg should be doing +5 GP so the first spy should be on the way. on polluting the GS gene pool.

re the monument, see my signature. B, I'm pretty sure we don't need one to build the Oracle.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Great spy generates science and spy points, not GPP. Great wall generates GPP, not spy points. Settling the GSpy in the capital will increase its science value every time we build something commercial in there, which will happen more early and more often than in Cretinburg.

As for the monument, well, that's one expensive fallus we got there then

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

No GPP for GS? Ok, do what wenz said. I really need to generate a
Gspy in a solo game...

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

No GPP for settled GP's in general ...

 

[wenz]

Yes Beorn is right, these "great" persons seem to have no social life at all and so they dont get kids, just live to work.

 

[TriviAl]

The other fringe benefit to settling the Gspy in Idiot Accademy is that the +4 from the palace will get multiplied by the Scotland Yard we'll want to put there?

Exciting stuff meeting Pericles.

The oracle seems nice - in a normal game, I'd go for CoL with it, but we already have courthouses. Confucianism is still nice... and can't think of a better target.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Started playing, I'm also inclined towards CoL for the religion and civic, though Metal Casting is also nice. Monarchy would make sense as well, we have wine nearby and if we get the pyramids ( ) we'd be set for Vassalage+Serfdom... Still voting CoL.

Btw, to pyramids or not to pyramids? Representation is nice but Hereditary rule does the happy face trick justice, and we'll want a number of vultures anyways...