staznesVIII: A Walk in Hell

[Luckymoose]

To France
From Belgium


We will not change our stance in beilveing the CSA as a nation of its own.You cannot dictate other nations political standings with other nations.We beleive the Confederacy deserves the land it holds.The people voted for it so it is the people government.They wanted it they got it.The union is the colprite here.It's there own fault the South seceded.

 

[Fëanor]

Statement from the Kingdom of Italy
The Kingdom of Italy is astonished by the pro belgian stance of the Netherlands, after all it was barely 30 years ago that belgium revolted from the Netherlands and, after french intervetion, became Independent.

We would like to point out, after Austria's statement, that Italy had withdrawn its offer of support to the USA long ago.

 

[alex994]

To France
From Belgium


We will not change our stance in beilveing the CSA as a nation of its own.You cannot dictate other nations political standings with other nations.We beleive the Confederacy deserves the land it holds.The people voted for it so it is the people government.They wanted it they got it.The union is the colprite here.It's there own fault the South seceded.

OOC: *bams head on table* I will not enter a frenzy of rage, I will calm down. I will not enter a frenzy of rage, I will calm down.

IC: In response to the Belgian Message, the French Empire shall continue the severing of diplomatic relations between Belgium and France.

The Second French Empire formally voices her moral and diplomatic support for the United States of America in her Civil War. The Confederacy is an illegimate rebellion. The French Empire will not supply or support the United States in any other way.

OOC: Yes, I will write a story to explain the change of Napoleon... Blame stupid Belgium, he can't be pro-CSA now without looking like he's following Belgium

 

[Luckymoose]

OOC(((ahaha i like how you just said no one in Europe hsould interfear and now you support the USA.)))

 

[alex994]

OOC(((ahaha i like how you just said no one in Europe hsould interfear and now you support the USA.)))

OOC: I'm not interefering, merely voicing my moral and diplomatic support for the Union

 

[Luckymoose]

ooc: came out deferently to me but oh well.Interesting Diplo War we got going.

 

[Der Sensenmann]

Statement from the Kingdom of Italy
The Kingdom of Italy is astonished by the pro belgian stance of the Netherlands, after all it was barely 30 years ago that belgium revolted from the Netherlands and, after french intervetion, became Independent.

To Italy
From Netherlands

We remember Belgium's rebellion. We also remember France's damaging Continental System from even earlier. The Netherlands will oppose ANY attempt by France at re-imposing such a system. The Belgian secession damaged the Low Countries' economy and the new agreements with the Belgians will help ensure economic prosperity and security in the region. If you truly understood the Dutch mindset, you would not be surprised by our actions.

 

[ThomAnder]

UK retracts its guarantee of independence for Belgium.

To: Belgium
From: UK

You have chose to pursue a different policy than that of UK and France, and we cannot stop you from doing so. We can only advise for you what's best for your nation, but alas, if you cannot separate your moral belief from your political stance, we cannot help you. We wish you best of luck in your future endeavours without the protection of UK and France.

 

[Luckymoose]

To UK
From Belgium


So you will let us be conquered if that comes to happen over a desicion to rightfully make Europe richer?I think the UK and France are off their rockers for not taking up the oppertunity to support the CSA.It only brings commerce to Europe.But if you choose to not support Belgium fine.We will accept your choices.

 

[alex994]

OOC: 7 Deadly Social Sins
1] politics without principle
2] wealth without work
3] commerce without morality
4] pleasure without conscience
5] education without character
6] science without humanity
7] worship without sacrifice

I highlighted the parts in which you just violated

IC: The French Government sincerely hopes that the Belgian and Dutch elected bodies see the folly of their monarch and veto their monarch's decision and restore Europe to her past peace.

 

[Jason The King]

ooc: alex, you talk about everyone else being so realistic, when you yourself are being unrealistic regarding the French-CSA relations, and the fact that France for the most party did sympathize with the aristocratic South and the fact that the American democratic experiment might fail.

 

[Symphony D.]

OOC: Aside from the fact they never said "Boy howdy, lets endorse these upstarts without a second thought!" - the Confederacy never received recognition from any major European power, even after large and signficiant early victories against the Union, over the whole first three years of the conflict in which the war was mostly undecided, "sympathies" not withstanding. So for Belgium to just jump up and go "yeah yeah, cotton, we supports you!" is rather more unrealistic than Alex's stance. The Europeans were cautious. And, frankly, since the CSA was a former part of the USA, if the Yankees won, they'd get the cotton anyway. Nevermind the likelihood of France and the UK scoffing at the idea of the USA being a "great power" someday. The UK ruled a quarter of the globe by 1897. The USA was a nothing regional power in European eyes.

So, really, everybody's acting unrealistic. Which is fine by me, as it makes my life much easier.

 

[alex994]

ooc: alex, you talk about everyone else being so realistic, when you yourself are being unrealistic regarding the French-CSA relations, and the fact that France for the most party did sympathize with the aristocratic South and the fact that the American democratic experiment might fail.

OOC: Yes, yes jason I am aware of that, and I was still going to follow that. However the fact that Belgium was the first European nation to recognize the CSA changed Napoleon's thinking. Now if he had continued to support the CSA as he planned to in the beginning, it would seem like he's following Belgium's lead and from all reports, he was quite a self centered man. He simply cannot bear to stand the shame of following in the footsteps of Belgium.

Plus the fact that while he did sympathize with the CSA, the lack of British recognition handicapped him in OTL just as still here. Another reason was that his conquest of Mexico needed a divided United States to suceed though in this timeline that most likely will not happen. He still maintains his sympathies to the CSA of course, but he won't act on them. He's a very vain man after all.

I am disturbed by symphony's support in this and I will be watching the events in South America closely...

 

[Luckymoose]

ooc: well acting unrealistic isnt always bad.It's makign it less boring in my book.A European conflict over the american civil war and trade rights?Leads to some fun diplos.

 

[alex994]

ooc: well acting unrealistic isnt always bad.It's makign it less boring in my book.A European conflict over the american civil war and trade rights?Leads to some fun diplos.

OOC: You are aware that in the case of any war, Belgium will be the first to go down Of course, the Netherlands and Austria are SUCH a big help to you Out of sheer spite too. Where is the Parliament???

 

[Luckymoose]

OOC: Taking into fact that I don't want a war,but I also liek a challnege.Sure I might lose but I won't go down without a fight.Unless of course the germans invade.

 

[Symphony D.]

I am disturbed by symphony's support in this and I will be watching the events in South America closely...

OOC: Two words: Monroe Doctrine. Napoleon III had better keep his poor attempts at military glory in Europe and keep his eyes on ze Germans.

 

[Fëanor]

OOC: I'd love to see how the Americans would enforce the Monroe Doctrine in their current situation.

 

[Der Sensenmann]

IC: The French Government sincerely hopes that the Belgian and Dutch elected bodies see the folly of their monarch and veto their monarch's decision and restore Europe to her past peace.

We take exception to this hypocritical statement. It is FRANCE which is threatening peace in Europe, not Belgium or the Netherlands.

 

[Symphony D.]

OOC: I'd love to see how the Americans would enforce the Monroe Doctrine in their current situation.

OOC: The Latin American nations just take it upon themselves to evict European intruders.

The armies of the larger South America nations are, in fact, roughly comparable to your average second class European powers, both in terms of size, training, and leadership. Combined with the logistical difficulties of sponsoring a campaign in the Western hemisphere, plus tactical advantages, that is more than enough to make any European adventurism highly unadvisable. Nevermind the fact "a new power is rising" over there anyway.

In short, the spirit of the document holds true if not its actual content: stay the hell out of our hemisphere.