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Steam hacked - All Steam users are adviced to change their Steam passwords(Nov. 2011)

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by The_J, Nov 10, 2011.

  1. Schalke 04

    Schalke 04 Knappe

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    I didn't use my credit card on steam and made a direct bank transfer instead by online banking.

    Am I at a lower or higher risk now?
     
  2. binhthuy71

    binhthuy71 Emperor

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    I still play the original XCOM: UFO Defense. It's one of those rare games that got it right from the beginning. If I want to blow stuff up, nothing beats Total Annihilation. It isn't that the newer games are bad, it's more that the market for strategic sims has been completely dwarfed by cookie cutter FPS games so the sims get short shrift when it comes to development and publisher support. Why spend the time and money to code a complex strategic sim when you can grab an easily bought game engine, offshore the graphics assets, and sell a bazillion copies of "Tactical Squad Based Killah Combat"?
     
  3. WimpyTheWarrior

    WimpyTheWarrior Warlord

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    Probably at a lower risk. You profile shows you're in Germany, and I am not directly familiar with the German direct pay system. However if it is similar to the Australian bPay system, you can provide your bank account details (not bank login details) safely. The AU banking system required additional authentication to draw money from an account, so knowledge of someone bank account details is not enough to perform fraud.

    These electronic payment systems replaced the paper checks, and paper checks always had your bank account details when you gave the check to the merchant.

    However to be safe, if your bank details were stored on Steam I would contact your bank for their advice.
     
  4. SimonD

    SimonD Chieftain

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    I tried to load a use a computer I have never used before to play Civ V and Steam detected this and would not allow me to start until I had entered the code they sent me in an e-mail - not sure if this is a new security feature but it is welcome anyway.
     
  5. spammikone

    spammikone Warlord

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    Fuck Steam. I've never bought anything from it at all, or from any online distribution system for that matter. I have about ten or so games in Steam which I was forced to add there. It's preposterous I have to activate the physical game I bought from store for single player purposes. Actually why the fuck should activation be in multiplayer too? Doesn't pose much an issue when you are in internet anyway, but all these security problems still exist and there was online gaming pre-Steam if you didn't know.

    The only times I have had the urge to play Half-Life 2 after the release was when my internet was down. Yep. And if someone stoles my account or just causes general mischief with it resulting in a ban in all my games I can't do shit because corporate America. Players are so goddamn attention deficient they have to have everything on the spot instead voting with their (parents) vallets (eg. preorder Civ 5 and cry on the forums that the game sucks) and waiting and pressuring the publishers if they don't like something. Steam & shit and all those console stores are for adding money to your account. So you won't pay monthly subscription fee like in a MMO, but more or less equal amount in "cheap" games and DLC crap. Sorry bad analogy, in MMO's they add new content. DLC's are about adding old content.

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  6. Rupe

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    At the end of the day it all comes down to one thing that cannot be argued. If they would have had an option to instal and play the game without any of the Steam stuff for those that don't want it or any of the "benefits" that Steam has this whole thing wouldn't be an issue.

    It all come down to being able to make your own decisions. Those that think its no big deal can install Steam and take their chances. Those that want no part can play it like Civ 4. If you got hacked because you chose to go Steam then you cant really complain as you knew the risk.

    The only choice any of us had was to buy the game or not. This is why I haven't bought Battlefield 3. I don't want the Origin crap on my machine. Especially after the Sony thing earlier and now this.

    Bottom line. The Steam thing is cool and great but shouldn't be forced on us.
     
  7. WeneedmoreCivs

    WeneedmoreCivs Warlord

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    Scan your systems! Stopzilla found a hijacker in my Steam folder which was causing my PC to freeze and crash. I love civ v but steam has been quite annoying...why can't civ just stand alone?
     
  8. Akka

    Akka Moody old mage.

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    Great post :goodjob:
    Too bad the Steam fanboys will try to rationalize everything about this away.
    Expect to hear a lot about "it's normal, they are here to make money", because it seems that if your goal is to make money, you're ethically allowed everything.
     
  9. WeneedmoreCivs

    WeneedmoreCivs Warlord

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    That's the American way!

    The idea is fine, but steam seems poorly run and constructed. I like the DLC model but would like better communication and more content.

    Just be sure to scan your steam folders, stopzila found a hijacker in mine.
     
  10. Schalke 04

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    @WimpyTheWarrior: thx for your evaluation! :)
     
  11. Schalke 04

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    I've found two viruses on my PC today as well (detected by Avira AV). I don't know if they were located in the steam folders though.
     
  12. Senethro

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    Its like the old days! So many familiar faces, many of whom broke their Civ5 boycott.
     
  13. binhthuy71

    binhthuy71 Emperor

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    That's funny all right. I was one of the steadfast members of the boycott. Civ v is a good game and it will, in time, be a better one.
     
  14. Guardian_PL

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    Yeah, over the time the turd in the box dries out so the stench is no longer overwhelming. I guess you can call it improvement.

    Not me, I haven't even been to these forums for a month or so. In the end heartbreaking disappointment wore off, the lesson was made and now I no longer feel being punished for my love for civ series. I feel indifferent.

    It feels like a replay to watch same show going on the Heroes VI forums as here on Civ5 release. But courtesy of Firaxis I am now smarter and I knew that new Heroes will be crap, regardless of the hype.
     
  15. Guardian_PL

    Guardian_PL Emperor

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    Really? So the guy provides solid and meaningful information, spends loads of time to answer most of the sheep herd panic and all you've got to say is to infra him? Not even warning, but infraction?

    Mod fail.

    What is going on with moderators on CivFanatics these days?

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  16. Wardancing

    Wardancing Warlord

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    I came to check out whats going on in Civ4 end of the forums, and saw this on the front page. I'm glad i stuck to my steam boycotte. Thanks for this information though, i will share it with clans from other games i play, they use this 'software'.

    This is why automatic updates, for software, operating systems, and games, is bad. You dont know when that update stream gets hijacked, usually you find out after an 'automatic update' occurs.

    As much as i hate steam, and want to say I told you so, i will instead say this:

    I hope everyone here on civfanatics isnt seriously affected by this (in terms of credit card fraud etc), but i do hope this will make people stop and rethink this 'all eggs in one basket' approach to gaming in future purchaces.

    Is there a steamless C5 for sale yet?
     
  17. Peets

    Peets Emperor Hall of Fame Staff

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    Why do some of you place steam in such a bad light?
    It is not steam fault that Civ 5 is only on steam. Those who created the game wanted to do it.
    Yes, companies want to make money but steam is not so evil as some of you subscribe them.
    There are far more companies in the world that do much worse things to get your money.
    At least when you buy a game on steam is will last forever, not if you buy a CD or something else. Everything goes broke and a lot of things are build to get broke faster then they normally would (Batteries for cellphone are an example).

    First I was against Steam but then I found his advantages and I find the advantages overweights the disadvantages. I like it for three reasons:

    1) Cheaper
    2) Achievements
    3) No cd required.

    Yes, there is very small chance they can hack steam and steal my credit card but the chances that they steal my wallet on the street is much higher. Should I then stay home or always leave my card at home? Then why should I need a card?
    Why do we need to overreact and live in fear?
    Enjoy life, before you know it it is over.
     
  18. Peets

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    The chances that they will get access to the information they needed is smaller then getting hit on the streets.
    And even if they do, I just go to the bank, get a new card and I lose nothing. The only thing I have to do is inform my bank and wait a few days for a new card. That will sure stop me from having fun :rolleyes:
     
  19. Smokeybear

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    Yeppers, at least it gave the Steam-haters a few moments of glory when they could shout out "AHAH! Yet another reason to hate! See? Didn't we'all tell ya it was devilspawn?!?"

    Now, we just have to sit and wait for the millions of abused Steam users to come in and testify how they lost their life savings to the hackers, they've lost all their ability to access or play any Steam games since the hack, and how it has ultimately ruined their lives...

    ...........................good thing I brought a lawnchair...................... anyone bring hotdogs?

    ...........................they should be along any time now.....................

    <crickets>
     
  20. Camikaze

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    Moderator Action: Please refrain from grouping people into 'Steam fanboys' and 'Steam haters'. Discuss points raised without making sweeping generalisations about people you disagree with.
     

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