Still smoking?

[MamboJoel]

Smokers, try Allen Carr's "Easy way to stop smoking". Great experience for the heavy smoker I was.

 

[JohnRM]

@VRWCAgent: I guess that musty apply to all smoke, since I hear a lot of the same things in the pot-smoking threads.When will we ever learn?

We do not ask that you learn, merely that you die and that your inferior genetics are weeded out of our society.

 

[skadistic]

I go by what effects my life personaly with that said i've lost 2 grandfathers,2 uncles,1 mother, and 1 grandmother all smoked none died from smoking. Alot of things will kill us we are fragile beings. I for one am more likely to die in a car at 100mph or faster. Everyone dies why does it mater how. Now I know many don't like smoke and I am courtious to them. And I don't have health insurance or use medicare/medicade I pay cash for my health needs so you in no way have to pay for what you see as my short comeings.

 

[Che Guava]

We do not ask that you learn, merely that you die and that your inferior genetics are weeded out of our society.

Don't worry, my genes won't be finding thier way into your society...

 

[Che Guava]

Maybe soon, people won't have the choice not to quit:

Smoker told to give up if he wants consultant to treat him
By Joanna Bale
A PAINTER and decorator suffering from blocked arteries has been told by a hospital consultant that he will not be seen until he has given up smoking.

Frederick Smith, 60, was referred by his family doctor to a specialist after developing crippling leg pain, indicating blocked veins.

The GP wrote to Andrew Lamerton, a vascular surgeon, who replied five weeks later that he would not see Mr Smith, a smoker of 15 to 20 roll-ups a day, until he had kicked his habit for six months.

Without examining Mr Smith, the surgeon diagnosed claudication, a condition caused by narrowed arteries that could eventually confine him to a wheelchair or result in amputation of his legs. In the letter, he explained: “I do not in any way investigate or treat claudication while they smoke. I would suggest you encourage they give up the habit completely. When they have been off cigarettes for six months, re-refer if symptoms persist.”

Mr Lamerton’s tough stance was backed by Lincoln County Hospital, which said that it would help to relieve pressure on its outpatient department.

But yesterday Mr Smith said that the decision could end up costing him a leg and condemned new moves concerning “self-inflicted” illnesses. Last week the High Court ruled smokers to be legally responsible for their ill health
because of their negligence in not giving up.

the rest of the article can be found at this link

 

[Rambuchan]

re: post #44

You totally missed his lovely little pun there Che!

 

[Che Guava]

I suppose I did. Sorry, John, didn't mean to get grumpy...

 

[Evil Tyrant]

I never have smoked and never intend to. Both my grandparents were lifelong smokers and both died of lung cancer. In addition to that, inhaling concentrated smoke does not seem like a very bright idea.

 

[El_Machinae]

The 'cost of each smoker' is quite a bit of work, actually. First you need to factor in:
- taxes from smoking. Getting this money early means that 'theoretically' it's bearing interest.
- lost productivity from smoking:
- extra medical care:
- reduction on retirement system due to early 'opting out'.

The person who looked at just the 'taxes' vs. 'medical cost' was looking at a study intending to prove something. I've read studies like that as well. The taxes are being pulled in at a ferocious rate and being applied to society immediately - theoretically, they're building infrastructure now that wouldn't have been available. Sadly, paying $1 billion to the government in taxes doesn't give $1 billion in health care - since the government is such a wasteful organization, only about 5 cents on the dollar actually make it to providing medical treatment.

Another question: with all the therapies and resources available - do you predict it will be easier to quit if you decide to quit than it would have been 20 years ago? (internet, nicorette, etc.)

So, you're right. If you took the taxes you're paying and applied them to a savings account instead, you'd be in the gravy when it comes to medical services. Add to that the discount you're giving up on our Old Age Pension, and everyone wins. Sadly, it doesn't work out that way.

 

[MamboJoel]

skadistic, it's not much about dying, it's about living : you're life is far better and enjoyable when you don't smoke.

 

[skadistic]

skadistic, it's not much about dying, it's about living : you're life is far better and enjoyable when you don't smoke.

no when I don't smoke life sucks its all jitters and head achs.

 

[JohnRM]

no when I don't smoke life sucks its all jitters and head achs.

You get jitters and headaches because you do smoke.

 

[skadistic]

yea. with out nicotine after about 5 hours I get tense, grummpy, jittery, headachs, sweaty, and get preocupieded. Its from withdrawls. I'm addicted to caffine too but the headachs are far more sevier.

 

[JohnRM]

yea. with out nicotine after about 5 hours I get tense, grummpy, jittery, headachs, sweaty, and get preocupieded. Its from withdrawls. I'm addicted to caffine too but the headachs are far more sevier.

Don't consume any nicotine for two weeks and you will feel better.

 

[bhsup]

To paraphrase a beloved gun mantra, you can take my cigarettes when you pry them from my cold, dead, nicotine smelling, tar stained fingers!

 

[El_Machinae]

15 years earlier than a non-smoker, I'm sure (kidding!). I've realized from this thread that most of my resentment towards smokers is because I live in a nationalized health care system ... neat.

 

[JohnRM]

To paraphrase a beloved gun mantra, you can take my cigarettes when you pry them from my cold, dead, nicotine smelling, tar stained fingers!

Those kinds of habits will provide you with cold, dead fingers, without requiring me to lift a finger of my own.

 

[Scratcher]

Well, after smoking for nearly twenty years, I have recently given up, by just going cold turkey. For the first two weeks the cravings were very intense but now, after 7 weeks, the cravings are few and far between. I must admit that during this period I stayed completely away from pubs and will go to the pub for the first time this week.

I do miss smoking, it was a habit I enjoyed, but in the long term giving up is the more sensible option.

 

[skadistic]

Well, after smoking for nearly twenty years, I have recently given up, by just going cold turkey. For the first two weeks the cravings were very intense but now, after 7 weeks, the cravings are few and far between. I must admit that during this period I stayed completely away from pubs and will go to the pub for the first time this week.

I do miss smoking, it was a habit I enjoyed, but in the long term giving up is the more sensible option.

Your a quiter and quiters never win!!!

good luck with the quiting I may join you some day but after giving up some other "habits" not so long ago I need time.

 

[RedWolf]

I'm quite grateful this thread was started. It's been quite educational in pointing out truths about myself that I was unaware of. Until I read all of the posts in here, I didn't realize that I...

• am participating in the root in all evil.
• like the smell of cigarette smoke. I always thought I just liked the taste but hated the smell of the smoke (clove cigs, cigars, and pipes being exceptions)
• am apparently an idiot.
• am a weak-minded fool.
• suffer from elevated stress levels.

Don't forget - Funding my healcare system.