das
Regeneration In Process
So I've noticed. 'Tis his fault, I didn't intend him to neccessarily reply to me. Okay, maybe I did.
stJNES10: Expand and Conquer
- Thread starter Jason The King
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So I've noticed. 'Tis his fault, I didn't intend him to neccessarily reply to me. Okay, maybe I did.
blackheart
unenlightened
North King said:
North King is planning world domination! Kill him!!!
das
Regeneration In Process
Chernobog says, World Domination is a virtue.
Insane_Panda
Deity
Since Jason's PM box=Stuffed like a hunting trophy, I shall post orders right away.
Insane_Panda
Deity
Orders for the Guomindang:
(Jason, add an age stat to my template please
)
- Begin the irrigation of the Yangtze River Valley, dig irrigation ditches in and around Nanjing. Plant rice crops, and use the easily grown crop to help along a population boom within our nation.
- Continue the smelting of bronze and other ores within our nation. Also, search for other resources that could be of use. If other ores are found, experiment with them, smelting them and forging them into metals, testing their strength, and possibly combining them with other ores if possible.
- Continue the expansion of our kingdom. Establish settlements on the coast, and continue to expand south of the Yangtze River, establishing farming settlements and fishing towns on its fertile soils and abundant coasts.
- Establish state-wide civil exams for all male youths aspiring to work in the Citizen court of Nanjing and other governmental posts. Base the exams off the annalects of the emperor, and the Kuangyin philosophy. (story on that after these orders are done), This civil exams will evaluate citizens on their merit, not birth, and shall lead to establishing the worlds first meritocracy. The power shall lay with the people, not the aristocrats.
- Begin the widespread printing of the annalects, using the vast Imperial Scribe system to meticulously copy down the pages of the book over and over again. Distribute copies to the Municipal governments, for further copying and establish the first state library system where citizens shall have access to the annalects and other books and scrolls. Spread the Kuangyin Philosophy, and adopt it as the State religion. Also, use the statewide library and scribe system to spread knowledge throughout our kingdom, using 1 eco point on establish the libraries and their accompanying schools. Hire educated wisemen to serve as teachers, holding discussions and teaching pupils the basics.
- Begin charting the skies, and creating detailed government astrological maps. Also, organize the years into a calendar, dividing it into 365 days of 24 hours each, and dividing the 365 days into groups of 12.
- Issue mandatory state-wide military service for all male citizens ages 15-25. Create 5 years of mandatory service, and 5 years of reserve duty. Train the men well during their mandatory service, enabling them to fight effectively when they are called to duty. Establish state wide uniform and weaponry regulations, insuring that our armies are uniformly and effeciently equipped.
- Establish workshops in cities along the Yangtze river, providing jobs for vagrants in the streets and people looking for pay and food. Workshops shall be the manufactories of the kingdom, where resources will be sent in and stored to be turned into manufactured goods. Certain manufactories shall be designated for weapons, others for military uniforms, paper, clothing, furniture, etc. They shall harness the power of the River by waterwheel to support them, and shall be used to support the growing population of the kingdom. Also, use these manufactories to support the uniformity regulations of the army.
- Introduce state minted currency. However, issue only enough for circulation, and make the mints highly regulated to ensure that overminting does not occur. Also, locate all mints within the confines of the Imperial court, surrounded by the citizen beaurocracy and the imperial barracks.
- Thats all for now folksksksk!!
(Jason, add an age stat to my template please
)- Begin the irrigation of the Yangtze River Valley, dig irrigation ditches in and around Nanjing. Plant rice crops, and use the easily grown crop to help along a population boom within our nation.
- Continue the smelting of bronze and other ores within our nation. Also, search for other resources that could be of use. If other ores are found, experiment with them, smelting them and forging them into metals, testing their strength, and possibly combining them with other ores if possible.
- Continue the expansion of our kingdom. Establish settlements on the coast, and continue to expand south of the Yangtze River, establishing farming settlements and fishing towns on its fertile soils and abundant coasts.
- Establish state-wide civil exams for all male youths aspiring to work in the Citizen court of Nanjing and other governmental posts. Base the exams off the annalects of the emperor, and the Kuangyin philosophy. (story on that after these orders are done), This civil exams will evaluate citizens on their merit, not birth, and shall lead to establishing the worlds first meritocracy. The power shall lay with the people, not the aristocrats.
- Begin the widespread printing of the annalects, using the vast Imperial Scribe system to meticulously copy down the pages of the book over and over again. Distribute copies to the Municipal governments, for further copying and establish the first state library system where citizens shall have access to the annalects and other books and scrolls. Spread the Kuangyin Philosophy, and adopt it as the State religion. Also, use the statewide library and scribe system to spread knowledge throughout our kingdom, using 1 eco point on establish the libraries and their accompanying schools. Hire educated wisemen to serve as teachers, holding discussions and teaching pupils the basics.
- Begin charting the skies, and creating detailed government astrological maps. Also, organize the years into a calendar, dividing it into 365 days of 24 hours each, and dividing the 365 days into groups of 12.
- Issue mandatory state-wide military service for all male citizens ages 15-25. Create 5 years of mandatory service, and 5 years of reserve duty. Train the men well during their mandatory service, enabling them to fight effectively when they are called to duty. Establish state wide uniform and weaponry regulations, insuring that our armies are uniformly and effeciently equipped.
- Establish workshops in cities along the Yangtze river, providing jobs for vagrants in the streets and people looking for pay and food. Workshops shall be the manufactories of the kingdom, where resources will be sent in and stored to be turned into manufactured goods. Certain manufactories shall be designated for weapons, others for military uniforms, paper, clothing, furniture, etc. They shall harness the power of the River by waterwheel to support them, and shall be used to support the growing population of the kingdom. Also, use these manufactories to support the uniformity regulations of the army.
- Introduce state minted currency. However, issue only enough for circulation, and make the mints highly regulated to ensure that overminting does not occur. Also, locate all mints within the confines of the Imperial court, surrounded by the citizen beaurocracy and the imperial barracks.
- Thats all for now folksksksk!!
North King
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OOC: Oh bugger that, I'm tired of waiting.
Calicut Orders: **SECRET**
Upgrades
Upgrade Army to Iron Age (-1 economy)
Increase Swordsmen (-1 economy)
Expansion
Map
I. Five Hundred Swordsmen and 500 Archers to expand considerably in Somalia and Damot... They are to offer all local chieftains the opportunity to join our nation. They will either disband their military forces, make them swear an oath of loyalty to the Empire and serve as policemen, or join our military outright. Conquer the tribes that resist by securing crucial mountain passes and such in their territory (the area being rather mountainous), blocking travel and thus forcing them to engage. When they come down the pass to fight us, rain arrows down on them and then engage with the swordsmen. Their stone weapons should be no match for our iron weapons. Keep the offer open at any time.
Call the new Province Damot, and give it semi Autonomy, able to make its own laws so long as they do not conflict with the laws of the Empire, its foreign policy and military under our control. Upon the creation of the new province, rapidly import our culture to the area, but make sure that the modern technologies do not fall into the natives hands. Except for the military forces, iron tools, but no iron weapons.
The military forces that join willingly from there should be stationed in Calicut proper, though under their own officers to avoid language barriers, to prevent revolt.
II. Forge an alliance with one of the lesser Berber tribes, and give them iron weapons, but not the technology of smelting iron. We will send a small expeditionary force of perhaps 100 swordsmen and 100 archers to train them in tactics, strategy, and weapons use. The other end of this agreement is for them to establish a loyal ally and a Berber Kingdom. Its capital should be at Sana, which is the current Yemeni capital. We should gain a loyal ally out of this who isn't strong enough to challenge us due to powerful other local clans.
III. Set up a colony at Muscat. This will be another trading post. Also continue explorations into the Persian Gulf, Red Sea, and along the coast of Africa with our navy.
IV. The rest of our military will maintain a vigilant watch on all borders for any invading force. Note that if anyone invades us the strategy is to draw them into our nation deep, cut their supply lines with guerillas, and smash them by outflanking through local knowledge of the terrain.
Domestics
Work further on improving our trade routes with paved roads. Build a road with any military forces who are not busy patrolling or on our Western Expeditions, one from Calicut Proper to the Bombay area.
Work in the mathematics field to broaden our understandings of the world of numbers. Firstly, work on a good number system, hopefully leading to a decimal system with the number 0, also work on how to solve equations with unknowns in them (algebra).
Begin a wonder:
Great Temple of Calicut:
A massive stone complex, it is both a temple and an academy. The central part of the building is a massive circular, domed temple, with three massive pillars evenly spaced around it. The first of the three shall have images of creation carved upon it, this is the Pillar of Brahma. The Second shall have the images of continuation and preservation and defense upon it, this shall be Vishnu. The third shall be carved with images of destruction upon it, this shall be for Shiva.
The interior will have many rooms, one for each of the gods. Essentially a temple to them all.
Adjacent to the main area is a series of complexes. One of them shall be a vaulted, long building, a library filled with copies of every book on the arts or sciences we know of. Another will be a room for the practical arts and sciences, filled with alchemists and metallurgists and other such peoples. The third shall be a place where authors and philosophers come to write.
These three shall be arranged around a central great theater type building, used as a lecture hall and a debating place. This hall shall be connected to the main temple by a long corridor open to the air on both sides and roofed over by a vaulted ceiling, pillars holding this up.
Around the building shall be various pools, statues, and monuments, and other such things, along with vast gardens.
Now, its practical effects? It will give a boost to education and culture, and also debut the technologies of the arch, dome, and vault in this world.
Continue to sell spices like nutmeg, pepper and cloves to the Western tribes, especially Egypt. Note also that these spices are extremely hard to transplant (the Portugese tried transplanting Indian spices to West Africa and it failed miserably).
Send scholars on trading ships to Egypt to explore the west and report back to us on the status of it, the great civilizations, wars, technologies... The people who explore here are obviously to be the more adventurous prolific writers among us.
Story later, if I have the time.
Calicut Orders: **SECRET**
Upgrades
Upgrade Army to Iron Age (-1 economy)
Increase Swordsmen (-1 economy)
Expansion
Map
I. Five Hundred Swordsmen and 500 Archers to expand considerably in Somalia and Damot... They are to offer all local chieftains the opportunity to join our nation. They will either disband their military forces, make them swear an oath of loyalty to the Empire and serve as policemen, or join our military outright. Conquer the tribes that resist by securing crucial mountain passes and such in their territory (the area being rather mountainous), blocking travel and thus forcing them to engage. When they come down the pass to fight us, rain arrows down on them and then engage with the swordsmen. Their stone weapons should be no match for our iron weapons. Keep the offer open at any time.
Call the new Province Damot, and give it semi Autonomy, able to make its own laws so long as they do not conflict with the laws of the Empire, its foreign policy and military under our control. Upon the creation of the new province, rapidly import our culture to the area, but make sure that the modern technologies do not fall into the natives hands. Except for the military forces, iron tools, but no iron weapons.
The military forces that join willingly from there should be stationed in Calicut proper, though under their own officers to avoid language barriers, to prevent revolt.
II. Forge an alliance with one of the lesser Berber tribes, and give them iron weapons, but not the technology of smelting iron. We will send a small expeditionary force of perhaps 100 swordsmen and 100 archers to train them in tactics, strategy, and weapons use. The other end of this agreement is for them to establish a loyal ally and a Berber Kingdom. Its capital should be at Sana, which is the current Yemeni capital. We should gain a loyal ally out of this who isn't strong enough to challenge us due to powerful other local clans.
III. Set up a colony at Muscat. This will be another trading post. Also continue explorations into the Persian Gulf, Red Sea, and along the coast of Africa with our navy.
IV. The rest of our military will maintain a vigilant watch on all borders for any invading force. Note that if anyone invades us the strategy is to draw them into our nation deep, cut their supply lines with guerillas, and smash them by outflanking through local knowledge of the terrain.
Domestics
Work further on improving our trade routes with paved roads. Build a road with any military forces who are not busy patrolling or on our Western Expeditions, one from Calicut Proper to the Bombay area.
Work in the mathematics field to broaden our understandings of the world of numbers. Firstly, work on a good number system, hopefully leading to a decimal system with the number 0, also work on how to solve equations with unknowns in them (algebra).
Begin a wonder:
Great Temple of Calicut:
A massive stone complex, it is both a temple and an academy. The central part of the building is a massive circular, domed temple, with three massive pillars evenly spaced around it. The first of the three shall have images of creation carved upon it, this is the Pillar of Brahma. The Second shall have the images of continuation and preservation and defense upon it, this shall be Vishnu. The third shall be carved with images of destruction upon it, this shall be for Shiva.
The interior will have many rooms, one for each of the gods. Essentially a temple to them all.
Adjacent to the main area is a series of complexes. One of them shall be a vaulted, long building, a library filled with copies of every book on the arts or sciences we know of. Another will be a room for the practical arts and sciences, filled with alchemists and metallurgists and other such peoples. The third shall be a place where authors and philosophers come to write.
These three shall be arranged around a central great theater type building, used as a lecture hall and a debating place. This hall shall be connected to the main temple by a long corridor open to the air on both sides and roofed over by a vaulted ceiling, pillars holding this up.
Around the building shall be various pools, statues, and monuments, and other such things, along with vast gardens.
Now, its practical effects? It will give a boost to education and culture, and also debut the technologies of the arch, dome, and vault in this world.
Continue to sell spices like nutmeg, pepper and cloves to the Western tribes, especially Egypt. Note also that these spices are extremely hard to transplant (the Portugese tried transplanting Indian spices to West Africa and it failed miserably).
Send scholars on trading ships to Egypt to explore the west and report back to us on the status of it, the great civilizations, wars, technologies... The people who explore here are obviously to be the more adventurous prolific writers among us.
Story later, if I have the time.
Insane_Panda
Deity
The Analects of Kuangyin
The Beginnings of a State Philosophy
The Analects, written by the T'ai-tsu Emperor himself, were adopted as the state philosophy. They were designed as a set of laws, a way of life a citizen should adopt inorder to achieve perfect virtuousity and ultimately, achieve perfection and enlightenment. These virtues were highly stressed in the citizen-state of the Guomindang, and ultimately lead to the formation of a highly strict, ritualised, and regulated society. These are the basics of Kuangyin thought:
Key Principles in Kuangyin Philosophy:
Li ritual. This originally meant "to sacrifice." From this initial religious ceremonial meaning, the term was soon extended to include secular ceremonial behaviour, and then took on an even more diffuse meaning, that of the propriety or politeness which colours everyday life. Rites were codified and treated as an all-embracing system of norms.
Xiao filial piety. This was considered among the greatest of virtues, and had to be shown towards both the living and the dead. The term "filial", meaning "of a son", denotes the respect and obedience that a son should show to his parents and, traditionally, especially to his father. This relationship was extended by analogy to a series of five relationships: those between father and son, ruler and subject, husband and wife, elder brother and younger brother, and that between friends. Specific duties were prescribed between each of the participants in these sets of relationships. Such duties were also extended to the dead, and this led to the veneration of ancestors. In time, filial piety was also built into the Guomindang legal system: a criminal would be punished more harshly if the culprit had committed the crime against a parent, while fathers exercised enormous power over their children. Much the same was true of the other unequal relationships.
Zhong loyalty. This was the equivalent of filial piety on a different plane, that of the relationship between ruler and minister. It was particularly relevant for young men aspiring to enter the courts, because the only way for an ambitious young scholar to make his way in the world was to enter the civil service of a ruler. Kuangyin advocates that a ruler who had received the "Mandate of Heaven" should be obeyed because of his moral rectitude. But this was later reinterpreted and became a doctrine which demanded blind, unquestioning obedience to the ruler from the ruled.
Ren humaneness. Kuangyin, or the T'ai-tsu emperor, was concerned with people's individual development, but he maintained that this is realized within the context of human relationships. Ritual and filial piety are the ways in which one should act towards these others, but the underlying attitude is one of humaneness. Unlike ritual, it is not the kind of thing that can be easily defined or identified in a particular person. It is perhaps best expressed in the Golden Rule of the Analects, which says: "Do not do to others what you would not like them to do to you." Ren also has a political dimension; if the ruler lacks it, it will hardly be possible for the subjects to behave humanely. This, in fact, is the basis of the entire Kuangyin political theory: it presupposes an autocratic ruler, who is then exhorted to refrain from acting inhumanely towards the subjects. An inhumane ruler runs the risk of losing the "Mandate of Heaven" the right to rule. Such a mandateless ruler need not be obeyed. But a ruler who reigns humanely and takes care of the people is to be obeyed strictly, for the very fact of this benevolent dominion shows that the ruler has been mandated by heaven.
Junzi the perfect gentleman. The gentleman is the ideal towards which all Guomidang citizens strive. The term literally means "son of a ruler," and there was a hereditary elitism inherent in the gentleman concept, but besides this, gentlemen were also expected to act as moral guides to the rest of society. Gentlemen are those who cultivate themselves morally, who participate in the correct performance of the rites, who show filial piety and loyalty where these are due and who have cultivated humaneness. The great exemplar of the gentleman is the T'ai-tsu emperor himself.
This is Kuangyin, the noble way.
The Beginnings of a State Philosophy
The Analects, written by the T'ai-tsu Emperor himself, were adopted as the state philosophy. They were designed as a set of laws, a way of life a citizen should adopt inorder to achieve perfect virtuousity and ultimately, achieve perfection and enlightenment. These virtues were highly stressed in the citizen-state of the Guomindang, and ultimately lead to the formation of a highly strict, ritualised, and regulated society. These are the basics of Kuangyin thought:
Key Principles in Kuangyin Philosophy:
Li ritual. This originally meant "to sacrifice." From this initial religious ceremonial meaning, the term was soon extended to include secular ceremonial behaviour, and then took on an even more diffuse meaning, that of the propriety or politeness which colours everyday life. Rites were codified and treated as an all-embracing system of norms.
Xiao filial piety. This was considered among the greatest of virtues, and had to be shown towards both the living and the dead. The term "filial", meaning "of a son", denotes the respect and obedience that a son should show to his parents and, traditionally, especially to his father. This relationship was extended by analogy to a series of five relationships: those between father and son, ruler and subject, husband and wife, elder brother and younger brother, and that between friends. Specific duties were prescribed between each of the participants in these sets of relationships. Such duties were also extended to the dead, and this led to the veneration of ancestors. In time, filial piety was also built into the Guomindang legal system: a criminal would be punished more harshly if the culprit had committed the crime against a parent, while fathers exercised enormous power over their children. Much the same was true of the other unequal relationships.
Zhong loyalty. This was the equivalent of filial piety on a different plane, that of the relationship between ruler and minister. It was particularly relevant for young men aspiring to enter the courts, because the only way for an ambitious young scholar to make his way in the world was to enter the civil service of a ruler. Kuangyin advocates that a ruler who had received the "Mandate of Heaven" should be obeyed because of his moral rectitude. But this was later reinterpreted and became a doctrine which demanded blind, unquestioning obedience to the ruler from the ruled.
Ren humaneness. Kuangyin, or the T'ai-tsu emperor, was concerned with people's individual development, but he maintained that this is realized within the context of human relationships. Ritual and filial piety are the ways in which one should act towards these others, but the underlying attitude is one of humaneness. Unlike ritual, it is not the kind of thing that can be easily defined or identified in a particular person. It is perhaps best expressed in the Golden Rule of the Analects, which says: "Do not do to others what you would not like them to do to you." Ren also has a political dimension; if the ruler lacks it, it will hardly be possible for the subjects to behave humanely. This, in fact, is the basis of the entire Kuangyin political theory: it presupposes an autocratic ruler, who is then exhorted to refrain from acting inhumanely towards the subjects. An inhumane ruler runs the risk of losing the "Mandate of Heaven" the right to rule. Such a mandateless ruler need not be obeyed. But a ruler who reigns humanely and takes care of the people is to be obeyed strictly, for the very fact of this benevolent dominion shows that the ruler has been mandated by heaven.
Junzi the perfect gentleman. The gentleman is the ideal towards which all Guomidang citizens strive. The term literally means "son of a ruler," and there was a hereditary elitism inherent in the gentleman concept, but besides this, gentlemen were also expected to act as moral guides to the rest of society. Gentlemen are those who cultivate themselves morally, who participate in the correct performance of the rites, who show filial piety and loyalty where these are due and who have cultivated humaneness. The great exemplar of the gentleman is the T'ai-tsu emperor himself.
This is Kuangyin, the noble way.
amirsan
King of all Kings
wow, I feel sorry for Jason with orders this long, no wonder he doesn't like to update.
Dont take it personal, its just a joke
I used to do orders like that too, but I learned Jason liked it nice and simple better.
Dont take it personal, its just a joke
I used to do orders like that too, but I learned Jason liked it nice and simple better.North King
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amirsan said:wow, I feel sorry for Jason with orders this long, no wonder he doesn't like to update.
Dont take it personal, its just a joke
I have a few things to do... So what if I'm unecessarily verbose?
amirsan
King of all Kings
North King said:I have a few things to do... So what if I'm unecessarily verbose?
Hey, I have nothing against it, its just a larger risk for you. Jason skims the orders, so there is a higher chance of something going wrong for you. It happend to me.
North King
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amirsan said:Hey, I have nothing against it, its just a larger risk for you. Jason skims the orders, so there is a higher chance of something going wrong for you. It happend to me.
There's a higher chance of something going wrong if I'm not specific, there's a higher chance of something going wrong if the mod is too lazy to read long orders... *sigh* where's the balance?
amirsan
King of all Kings
North King said:There's a higher chance of something going wrong if I'm not specific, there's a higher chance of something going wrong if the mod is too lazy to read long orders... *sigh* where's the balance?
yes, I often think the same...
Jason The King
Deity
lol, you must master the art of being able to see the future into what i will read and what i wont.
I try to read everyone's orders, thoroughly, but when I am rushing an update I tend to skim real quick the long orders.
And geeze are those long.
So you just better hope I won't be rushing an update.
Btw, pm box cleared. The thing about that is I keep old orders for a day or two so in case someone complains about the update, I have their orders on hand still. I could copy them to word, but I am just too damn lazy for that
I will attempt an Easter Update. It might have to be Monday. I didn't even get on the computer today, I don't think, cus I was so busy.
I try to read everyone's orders, thoroughly, but when I am rushing an update I tend to skim real quick the long orders.
And geeze are those long.
So you just better hope I won't be rushing an update
. Btw, pm box cleared. The thing about that is I keep old orders for a day or two so in case someone complains about the update, I have their orders on hand still. I could copy them to word, but I am just too damn lazy for that
I will attempt an Easter Update. It might have to be Monday. I didn't even get on the computer today, I don't think, cus I was so busy.
das
Regeneration In Process
Either way, too lazy to type my rant about my orders again in PM, so I'll just say that I, previously, ordered an all-out attack at the enemy capital and it wasn't carried out. So anyway, just update already.
North King
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Jason The King said:lol, you must master the art of being able to see the future into what i will read and what i wont.
I try to read everyone's orders, thoroughly, but when I am rushing an update I tend to skim real quick the long orders.
And geeze are those long.
So you just better hope I won't be rushing an update
Should I just put [ size=7][/ size] tags around stuff like "If they don't fight, force them into battle by stretching their supply lines, harassing their army, etc."... (This is from half a year ago)?
Norseone
Emperor
can I join as
Austria
Government: Absolute Despotism
Capital: Vienna
Ruler: NPC
Economy: Stable
Age: Iron Age
Army: 1,100 Spearmen, 800 Archers
Navy: 50 Galleys
Culture: 1
Education: 0
Wonders:
?
Notes:
Austria
Government: Absolute Despotism
Capital: Vienna
Ruler: NPC
Economy: Stable
Age: Iron Age
Army: 1,100 Spearmen, 800 Archers
Navy: 50 Galleys
Culture: 1
Education: 0
Wonders:
?
Notes:
das
Regeneration In Process
Just a comment:
Uh... Won't saying "Invent/advance algebra/mathematics" be somewhat easier?
Uh... Won't saying "Invent/advance algebra/mathematics" be somewhat easier?
Julius Gandi
The Foreign Disease
Well I guess I should play in Jasons "Last" Nes for my "last" nes
Bactria
Despotism
Capital: ?
Ruler: NPC
Economy: Stable
Age: Iron Age
Army: 2,800 Swordsmen, 500 Spearmen, 500 Archers, Iron Age
Navy:
Culture: 1
Education: 2
Wonders:
Notes:
Bactria
Despotism
Capital: ?
Ruler: NPC
Economy: Stable
Age: Iron Age
Army: 2,800 Swordsmen, 500 Spearmen, 500 Archers, Iron Age
Navy:
Culture: 1
Education: 2
Wonders:
Notes:
North King
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das said:
Nope. That's like saying "invent Iron". How exactly are you going to invent iron by saying you want to invent iron when you don't know what iron is?
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