Subdued Animals in C2C discussions

Yeah, you are right. Camelops should work as a contemporary camel + megafauna myths/stories, Titanotylopus - additional bigger camel units + appropriate stories/myths.

That sound great. But I am not sure if the Giant Camel, from ZT2, could be useful for the two animals. I remember I, once, find an animal called «Yesterday Camel», who could have been useful. But, badly, that was many years ago, and I don't have the files in backup anymore. Do you knows, which options we could take, on this one?
 
It's probably the same thing basically.

Ok, I took a look at the version of Windows Store .... but the free option shows the old Windows XP-2000 windows, and it was not written anywhere that it could work on a other version more recent than Windows 7. It is suppose to look like that, or the version is not the good one?
 
That sound great. But I am not sure if the Giant Camel, from ZT2, could be useful for the two animals. I remember I, once, find an animal called «Yesterday Camel», who could have been useful. But, badly, that was many years ago, and I don't have the files in backup anymore. Do you knows, which options we could take, on this one?
I haven't noticed such an animal, sorry. Kang made the Aepycamelus, but it went exctinct long before Homo sapiens evolved in Africa.

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But, imho, the Camelops should work as reduced in size Titanotylopus or slightly larger and darkener dromedary.
 
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I haven't noticed such an animal, sorry. Kang made the Aepycamelus, but it went exctinct long before Homo sapiens evolved in Africa.

camelops_hesternus_by_philip72-d77uu9y.jpg


But, imho, the Camelops should work as reduced in size Titanotylopus or slightly larger and darkener dromedary.

That could work perfectly. Althought the «small» Titanotylopus need an colour variation too, fo been more easely noticeable on the map. Personally, I view it with an more lighter colour, like the vanilla domedary, for example. On your side?
 
Perfect. I have installed it today, so you could count me aboard.

For opening an ZT2 files which element of 7zip I have to use: 7z , 7zFM , or 7zG?
The 7zip program can only unzip the files. ZT2 are Zoo Tycoon 2 files, and those are 3d mesh files that can be opened in many modeling programs. @Hydromancerx or @Toffer90 are the ones I know that have successfully done this.
 
Perfect. I have installed it today, so you could count me aboard.

For opening an ZT2 files which element of 7zip I have to use: 7z , 7zFM , or 7zG?
Just try one of them, your computer won't break by opening a file with an .exe that can't read the file.
Set either 7z.exe or the 7z File Manager (7zFM.exe) as the default program for opening .zip, .rar, .ZT2, .7z, .archive, etc.
I think both work for opening them. Leaning a bit toward the 7zFM; it's a long time since I had reason to consider those files in any way.

I have no idea what 7zG.exe is for...
 
I am changing this first post to describe what needs to be done to get a new animal into C2C.

Status: beginning to draft

If you have the possible graphics for a new animal you want to add to Caveman2Cosmos this tries to explain how to get it in game. Currently it is assumes you are getting the graphics from the Zoo Tycoon community.

Before you start best practice for working on one or two new animals in C2C.

You are going to type the name of the animal many times, or copy and paste it a lot. It will be used in file and folder names.

C2C Standards to keep in mind
There can be no spaces in any of the folder or file names because parts of BUG/BULL will not work with them.

Schema files copied from the C2C core XML folders must be renamed to match the folder they are in. There are two reasons for this​
  • You wont accidentally overwrite the schemas in game memory. This may have been fixed in C2C but if you are working on other mods it can cause problems if the files are not synchronized.
  • C2CXmlValidator uses it.
The My_Modules folder is used for Test and First Release. Modules there include optional content but also includes stuff that will be merged into the core area before the Pre-release Freeze.​


Identify why you are adding it.

Things to that will always be needed:-

Animal Myth, Story and Stories buildings are needed by default.

Where on the planet does it spawn?

Is it a variant of an existing animal​
Other things to consider:-

Does it fit with any of the Elemental Myths or the Legend Myths?

Are there subdued and tamed versions of the animal?

Is it important to any religion?

Does it a new set of Cages/Enclosures of can it use an existing one?

Is it a megafauna animal? This requires unit art for the combat units as well.​


In the following <name> should be replaced with the name of the animal.

Step 1. Initial set up

  1. Create a folder in Assets/Modules/My_Modules with the name of the animal. EG Assets/Modules/My_Modules/Crow

    If you are creating a lot of them at the one time consider creating a folder with your name in the My_Modules area and putting each animal in a separate folder inside that. This will cause a minor bit of extra work to get the art defines and game text schema definitions correct. You will need to add a .\ to the start of the path.

  2. Copy the Unit and Buildings schema files from the core XML and rename them. IE change C2C to the name of the animal. EG C2C_CIV4BuildingsSchema.XML would become Crow_CIV4BuildingsSchema.XML

  3. Copy the _Animal_Template folder from the "My_Mods (unloaded)" folder. (Note the "My_Mods (unloaded)" can have a space in its name because it is not loaded in game.)

  4. Rename all the files, IE replace the initial AT with the <name> of the animal EG AT_CIV4ArtDefines_Unit.XML would become Crow_CIV4ArtDefines_Unit.XML
Step 2. Copying the art and giving credit.

  1. In the work folder create an art folder called art/units/animals/<name>. EG art/units/animals/Crow

  2. Use 7zip to open the Zoo Tycoon community content file.

  3. Find <name>/entities/units/animals/<name>

  4. Copy every thing from there (2.3) to the art folder created 2.1.

  5. In the <name>_CivGameText.XML file and credit who you got it from after Graphics Source: in the pedia entry. This has not been done on most because I was just handed the art files with no idea of the source.

  6. While you are here replace all CROW with the uppercase name of the animal and all Crow with proper case name of the animal. Or do it as part of the next step.

Step 3 Rough out the basics.

  1. In all files in the work folder replace all CROW with the uppercase name of the animal and all Crow with proper case name of the animal.
  2. You will now almost have a working but not playable unit.
Step 4. Create buttons...

Still waiting for TBird to put the stuff for making buttons up or I could make some guide lines for this.

I have parts of buttons for Story and Stories and somewhere for cages.

Step 5. Detailing the animal



Spoiler Old opening post :
Since I have merged many of the animals which were in the Subdued Animals mod into C2C I should probably create a thread here for discussions.

Here 'tis.

Subdued animals can be used to
- create buildings
- be butchered for food , hammers and gold; You get more from butchering in one of your cities than you do in the wilderness and somewhere in between if you are within your cultural boarders.
- fight in "games" in your arena for money and happiness
- be studied for science and culture. All these bonuses are small.​

Captured Sea Creatures come in two types "Tales of..." which are adventurer and fisherman stories told about the creature; and "Subdued .." which is the actual creature. Which version you get depends on the animal and the tech you have.

Sea Creatures

Sea critters are different to land animals because your capital may not be on the coast. Which means that if it was not on the coast you would not have any sea critter myths. To fix that I made it so that you can choose where you want the myths to go by making a "Myth of the Sea" which is the same restriction as Palace for the other myth buildings. The "Song of the Sea" stops you being able to build any myth buildings in other cities.

At the start of the game you only get "Tales of ...". When you capture a sea creature you get , and "Tales of..." back at the nearest city. The "Tales of..." can then be used for a Myth building or +1:culture: and +1:science:. You can't butcher them because you already have.

As time goes by you start to be able to capture sea animals, the smaller fish first. Depending on your latitude and what Admin buildings you have subdued fish can build "Fish Pens" and later "Coastal Fisheries".

At "Marine Biology" you can start to capture the larger sea animals. "Marine Biology" opens up a number of sea creature related buildings.

"Tales of Narwal" and "Tales of Dugong" can build myth buildings in any city.

Options

There are ways you can modify how Subdued Animals work in caveman2Cosmos
  • how alter animals spawn
  • if subdued animals teleport back to the nearest city or not. Originally you needed to escort all animals safely home and many people like that aspect but others don't. The AI knows how to escort animals.
These are set in the XML file A_New_Dawn_GlobalDefines.XML found in the Assets/XML folder. The variables are
  • ANIMAL_SPAWN_MODIFIER for the rate animals spawn at a value between 100 and 200 seems to work best. Set this value to zero (0) if you want to play without animals.
  • DONT_ESCORT_SUBDUED_LAND_ANIMAL if set to 1 subdued animals will teleport to the nearest land city. Default is teleport.
  • DONT_ESCORT_SUBDUED_SEA_ANIMAL for sea creatures rather than land animals.

By "animal templates", you refer to which files, exactly?
 
By "animal templates", you refer to which files, exactly?
Step 1 part 3

Everything in assets/modules/My_Mods (unloaded)/_Animal_Template makes upl the XML files needed to define an animal and its subdued equivalent. The art folders are set up to be standard for where your art will go.

This XML includes the template art definitions for buildings and units, an XML file to contain the text names of all the units and buildings, templates for the units and also buildings.
 
Step 1 part 3

Everything in assets/modules/My_Mods (unloaded)/_Animal_Template makes upl the XML files needed to define an animal and its subdued equivalent. The art folders are set up to be standard for where your art will go.

This XML includes the template art definitions for buildings and units, an XML file to contain the text names of all the units and buildings, templates for the units and also buildings.

The only folders that I find there were: Antiquities (broken), Mormon New, NewCityFreeNIMBY, NewCityFreeYIMBY, RebalanceMonasteryScience, Sacred_Sites and SlowReligionSpread, except if I don't understand it clearly, I don't view the Animal_Template folder. But, in the My_Mods/Herds there are files named SubdueAnimals_CIV4BuildingsSchema and SubdueAnimals_CIV4UnitSchema, among others, do it was the files you mentioned?

Edit: After given it an second look, do it was the files in the DancingHoskuld/Subdue_Animals/z_experimental folder, instead?
 
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I hope what I put on the SVN works, up to the point of seeing the animal in the pedia. I still need to get the next steps written.

We have just come out of a week and half heat wave like this area has not seen. It didn't go gown below 29 at nights. At least it has started to this week so hopefully I will get some sleep.;) On the bright side the solar panels I put in are more than enough to poweg the aircon during the very hot parts of the day.
 
I hope what I put on the SVN works, up to the point of seeing the animal in the pedia. I still need to get the next steps written.

We have just come out of a week and half heat wave like this area has not seen. It didn't go gown below 29 at nights. At least it has started to this week so hopefully I will get some sleep.;) On the bright side the solar panels I put in are more than enough to poweg the aircon during the very hot parts of the day.
Yeah for Solar panels! I need some more myself and a good inverter since I burned up the 2000 watt one I had. But alas being on Social Security does not leave much wiggle room in the budget for several hundreds of $ worth of equipment that is needed at each stage.
 
Yeah for Solar panels! I need some more myself and a good inverter since I burned up the 2000 watt one I had. But alas being on Social Security does not leave much wiggle room in the budget for several hundreds of $ worth of equipment that is needed at each stage.
I understand. I don't count as a pensioner nor as a self funded retiree but one of the newfangled superannuation lot of retirees. At the moment things are fine and I can cope even with a sudden $4,000 bill. I expect that as prices go up and my super doesn't that things will get tight. My hot water system stopped working yesterday. Had a good innings 30 years. They have just finished installing the new one hence $4,000. I went for one of the new "green" heat pumps should pay for itself in 3 years. Of course the heat pump works better in hot weather.
 
We have just come out of a week and half heat wave like this area has not seen. It didn't go gown below 29 at nights. At least it has started to this week so hopefully I will get some sleep.;) On the bright side the solar panels I put in are more than enough to poweg the aircon during the very hot parts of the day.
And in Europe the winter is now starting for real (it rarely goes above 0°C). A bit of a mix would be very welcome.

But please be careful. Heat waves can be the most dangerous types of weather (of course, what does count as really dangerous in Australia? :mischief:).
 
And in Europe the winter is now starting for real (it rarely goes above 0°C). A bit of a mix would be very welcome.

But please be careful. Heat waves can be the most dangerous types of weather (of course, what does count as really dangerous in Australia? :mischief:).

You still lucky that yours winters don't have an polar vortex effect (like here), last days the temperatures rarely goes above -20°C, with some spikes at -40°C, and near -50°C (Canadian winters are harsh, you knows).
 
I only uploaded it to the SVN a day or two ago. If you have not updated from it then it wont be there. This is all new.

Now I understand why I don't find them.
I will donwload the new C2C version later today (when I will have times to look for them).

On another side: do saved games (from 38.5) are compatibles with the new version?
 
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