Suggestions and Requests

[Publicola]

The suppression/coopting of religious institutions (such as how muftis were co-opted by various Arab nationalist dictatorships, or how the Russian Orthodox church became an arm of the Tsar's government) would be pretty cool to represent. ... so maybe a national project would be best. Call it Religious Reform or something.

This prompted a few thoughts, and I'm wondering if something similar could work as a national wonder:

National Shrine
Requires: State Religion, 2 (?) cathedrals
Effect: +1 for every city in your empire following your state religion; can change 'Religion' civic without anarchy

Not sure about the cathedral requirement, since ideally this should be available to smaller civs as well -- maybe limit it to 1 cathedral, plus some other requirement? I'm not sure if a tech requirement would work, since national shrines have been around a lot longer than the Enlightenment or Renaissance (the Palais des Papes in Avignon would probably qualify, and that dates from the 1300s).

As for effect, the gold would represent a miniaturized version of the main religious shrine, while the civic change element represents how governments have coopted/molded religion according to their own needs in the past. I don't know if that effect is possible within Civ 4's coding, to make changes to one category anarchy-free. If it is possible, this could be a really cool effect for some other wonders.

 

[Dracosolon]

Not sure about the cathedral requirement, since ideally this should be available to smaller civs as well -- maybe limit it to 1 cathedral, plus some other requirement?

Other National Wonders have a "building present in 50% of your cities" requirement, so you could have something like 50% Temples, or 12,5% Cathedrals (so 1 Cathedral for 4-8 cities, 2 for 9-16, etc.).

 

[Genghis Khaiser]

I've noticed that India tends to snatch all the Hindu and Buddhist wonders from those who should build them (Khmer, Burma, Java).

IMO these three should be more encouraged to build their respective historical wonders before India does.

 

[Lokki242]

I've noticed that India tends to snatch all the Hindu and Buddhist wonders from those who should build them (Khmer, Burma, Java).

IMO these three should be more encouraged to build their respective historical wonders before India does.

my first try as Java they built Prambanan 15 turns after my spawn

 

[WhiteEyes]

I've noticed that India tends to snatch all the Hindu and Buddhist wonders from those who should build them (Khmer, Burma, Java).

IMO these three should be more encouraged to build their respective historical wonders before India does.

The Moors also prefer to build Spiral Minaret and House of Wisdom rather than La Mezquita on the large map. Though the Arabs were lucky to have better production and weaker neighbors.

 

[Bu77Trout]

I've noticed that India tends to snatch all the Hindu and Buddhist wonders from those who should build them (Khmer, Burma, Java).

IMO these three should be more encouraged to build their respective historical wonders before India does.

It's fine if you play on settler and cheat

 

[Genghis Khaiser]

I usually play on Monarch or higher, I know balance is currently broken and being worked on but still, India doesn't let you build a thing, except maybe for Burma's wonder but only in the 600 AD scenario and if you build it right away.

 

[Leoreth]

Yeah I also think the main issue here is that India reaches these wonders too early.

 

[Tigranes]

There are many sensible rewards for those players you complete the important projects first, like Manhattan, First Satellite and Man in Space. But the Internet was somehow overlooked. Perhaps a Great Spy could be given to the first civ?

 

[Glorfindel of Gondolin]

Maybe it has already been suggested, but the levant could use more river system complexity in my opinion, due to its vast water resources.
Specifically, I would say that it's possible to add the Yarmouk river between the sheep and salt resources, and the Litani, that would cover the Phoenician area.
Both are long and were important to the very old agriculture that took place there, and could visually represent the abundance of fresh water in this region.
Also, currently there isn't a water source in Phoenicia, and it feels weird and inaccurate

 

[Titoudef]

The unique Hellenic victory condition of controlling 7 wonders is too easy in my opinion as if you go for the historical victory as Rome or Greece for example, you will most probably get more than this amount with all the conquering involved.

As depicted in the screenshot I built the Parthenon in Athens and unintentionally won a religious victory and I was going to build about 5 more ancient wonders in my cities.
This mean that I had to load an earlier save and refrain myself from building any wonder in order to win the UHV instead of the URV.
And by the time one complete the latter Roman UHVs for example, christianism will have spread to most of your cities anyway so you can't build ancient wonders in these cities anymore.

Thus I think the number of required wonders should be increased or the URV condition should be changed altogether, this is 1.17 by the way but I believe it hasn't changed yet in 1.18.
So maybe bring it up to 11 wonders or more? Or make it a proto domination goal as both Greece and Rome were close to a domination victory IRL during their time?

 

[AOS9001]

I've stopped building pagan temples when playing Rome just to avoid the URV.

 

[Maggy_domain]

How about instead limiting it to the actual 7 wonders of the ancient world? They're all represented in the game

 

[Dracosolon]

I feel like the Pagan URVs could do with a revision as a whole, eventually. Maybe there could even be one generic and two custom goals.

 

[wasilewskii]

@Leoreth is it possible two add two world wonders from Poland.
- The Palace of Culture and Science from Warsaw
- Malbork Castle - the biggest castle in the world

 

[Tigranes]

We have already so many Wonders, and while Poland is represented, some civs aren't.

 

[manio curio]

@Leoreth is it possible two add two world wonders from Poland.
- The Palace of Culture and Science from Warsaw
- Malbork Castle - the biggest castle in the world

malbork castle is a good catch as something to add, however while it is located in Poland it was built by Germans

 

[SOVNARKOM]

Considering the historical Republic of the Seven United Netherlands, Can we allow the combination of the republic and free enterprise to provide stability bonus?

 

[Leoreth]

If you are talking about the historical Dutch Republic, you would be looking at Mercantilism, i.e. the Regulated Trade civic.

 

[SOVNARKOM]

If you are talking about the historical Dutch Republic, you would be looking at Mercantilism, i.e. the Regulated Trade civic.

But the Wikipedia of mercantilism seems to have a different perspective:
＂The Netherlands, which had become the financial centre of Europe by being its most efficient trader, had little interest in seeing trade restricted and adopted few mercantilist policies.＂
According to the wiki, it seems that the Netherlands lacks interest in regulated trade, and even Spain's regulated trade is one of the reasons of separation of the Dutch from Spain.