Suggestions and Requests

[Auric]

The Viking intro: "The scarcity of food makes the inhabitants of Scandinavia excellent sailors that rely on fishing and trade. Their home kingdoms still can’t sustain further population growth, and the Vikings have to turn to lands across the sea."

Oslo can easily grow to the size of 8 by the year 800, Stockholm a bit later. That doesn’t feel much like scarcity of food in the harsh nordic lands. I think there should be more plains and tundras in Scandinavia, for now it‘s pretty much as fertile as the rest of Europe.

 

[ozqar]

Is there anywhere where we can see the complete list of research preferences for all great people (incl. great statesmen)?

 

[ezzlar]

Isnt that list to leftmost part of the tech tree?

 

[merijn_v1]

This is the list for BTS. So there are differences with the list of DoC.
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/strategy/greatpeople_tech.php

 

[Leoreth]

The introduction of Great Statesmen probably changed that up a bit, because I introduced a new flavor that is associated with them. Some techs lost their original flavors in the process.

I'm not sure what the rules for determining the discovered tech actually are, once I know I think I can create an updated priority list.

 

[merijn_v1]

The link in my post also provides a small explanation in discovering order.

Great Prophet:
Meditation
Polytheism
Priesthood
Monotheism
Theology
Divine Right
Mysticism
Masonry (Warlords patch & BTS)
Code of Laws
Civil Service
Monarchy
Literature
Music
Writing
Philosophy
Printing Press
Drama
Aesthetics (BTS)
Alphabet
Paper
Education
Liberalism
Calendar
Masonry (Vanilla & unpatched Warlords)
Animal Husbandry
Construction
Future Tech

From that above list you can see that if you don't have meditation a great prophet will give meditation. If you do have meditation a great prophet will try and give you polytheism. If you have meditation and polytheism then the prophet will go down the list (from top to bottom) until there is a tech you can research that the prophet can give you.

Note if you don't have prerequisites for a tech then the great person will try and give you the next tech on the list that you can get.

eg.
If I didn't have masonry and had techs meditation, polytheism, priesthood, mysticism and code of laws then a great prophet would give me civil service as monotheism requires masonry, theology require monotheism, and divine right requires theology.

eg. (from the above list)

Great Prophet:
Meditation // Have it
Polytheism // Have it
Priesthood // Have it
Monotheism // Requires masonry so isn't allowed to be researched
Theology // Requires monotheism
Divine Right // Requires theology
Mysticism // Have it
Masonry (Warlords patch & BTS) // Still playing vanilla Civ4
Code of Laws // Have it
Civil Service // Great prophet will be able to give me this
Monarchy
Literature
Music
etc.

 

[Leoreth]

Yeah, but it doesn't go into detail where the absolute list of priorities ultimately comes from.

 

[Surtur]

Yeah, but it doesn't go into detail where the absolute list of priorities ultimately comes from.

getDiscoveryTech(UnitTypes eUnit, PlayerTypes ePlayer) in CvGameCoreUtils.cpp

The flavor of your great person is just multiplied with the flavor of each tech. It chooses the tech with the highest score.

 

[Leoreth]

Thanks for looking it up for me. So the priority list is just a list of techs sorted by flavor descending, then ID ascending. Looks like someone else could even dig through the tech XML and create it themselves before I find time for it

 

[narvego]

The Airport building does not need a radio tech now. However, I cannot imagine an airport without any radio-communication...

 

[Ani Taneen]

Another suggestion -

I have never seen a settled city on islands such like Taiwan, Crete, Cyprus, Sardinia. However, these regions are very important from geopolitically point of view (especially Taiwan, also Cyprus). Maybe in RFC these islands should be settled? If not directly from an AI, maybe automatically from Independent leader after some year? Then, they can be an imporant matter of congresses (and wars).

I just want to give you a heads up... Crete seems to be on the Arab switch list. But yeah, i often find my self giving civs a settler on these places via the map editor whenever I'm feeling OCD.

 

[Genghis Khaiser]

I think I'm close to nailing it as Indochina with Thailand and Cambodia co-existing:
-Removing Saigon, or moving it 1 tile north.
-Moving Angkor 1 tile southeast, changing its name to Phnom Penh some time later.
-Making the territory of both cities more abundant in food resources to prevent the crowding.

Another thing, could we have the spawn of certain civs not erase the city built there? For example, I was once playing as Holy Rome to make Prussia and the Netherlands have a better start only to find out I was wasting my time all along. I understand if Prussia erases Magdeburg, but Amsterdam and Brandenburg/Berlin? Maybe that settler should found a city somewhere else, like the Baltic Sea in Lithuania or Estonia to represent the Teutonic Knights. I would have said Prague (a historical capital of the HRE and site of the world's largest least-castle-like castle) but that would take space away from Berlin or make Prague small once it spawns.

Spoiler :

Unless we make the territory around it more abundant

Also, is there a civ diary about future civs? Because even if I know there's pretty much not being a new civ anytime, I'm interested in a probable/confirmed as not being civ list.

 

[ozqar]

Well, I'd think that the best thing to do in southeast asia is to extend the eastern coast one tile east. Yes, it would look a bit distorted, but so is the rest of the map and nobody notices after a few minutes. Adding food resources (and production resources in Indonesia) would be cool as well, of course!

 

[Leoreth]

Also, is there a civ diary about future civs? Because even if I know there's pretty much not being a new civ anytime, I'm interested in a probable/confirmed as not being civ list.

I don't think it's a good idea to spawn too much speculation/discussion before that's really something that I can work on.

People already complain about Tibet being in the mod and that's annoying enough.

 

[ozqar]

People already complain about Tibet being in the mod and that's annoying enough.

Just to express my support for diversity in the mod, I think it's fantastic to see Tibet there, as it is to have Canada, Polynesia, the Harappans and all of those other civs people complain are "non-important". They're honestly only non-important in the eyes of ignorance and eurocentric views of history. Besides, everyone has the option to disable them anytime (and with Polynesia and the Harappans this is not even necessary).

Same opinion goes to support the inclusion of more religions, and of course, to exploit this civ and religious diversity to provide more gameplay options

 

[Leoreth]

Moderator Action: Off topic political discussion removed.

 

[Wessel V1]

Something I also miss in regular BtS: now Siege units cannot win battles anymore, they can only receive one experience point for each battle, however unlikely the outcome. It would be more interesting if siege units' battles count as normal battles in terms of experience points.

 

[Sgt. Bears]

These are the unique buttons that I have uploaded in a pull request.
Zoro Cathedral / Zoro Monastery / Zoro Temple / Sejong

 

[Leoreth]

If you're working on that anyway, can you use the assets from History Rewritten instead? The Sejong button there looks a little more flattering, and the Zoroastrian art is better in general, including icon/button and the building art itself.

 

[Sgt. Bears]

Various Delectat Art Changes:

Spoiler :

Polynesia uses Incan Art instead of Khmer art.
1: Wolves use the Settler Formation.
2,3,4,5,6,7,8: USA uses European art instead of Native American art.
9: USA uses Navy Seal art for the Marine.
10: Congo uses African missionary art and African great people art.
11: Sumerian Axemanart (not the unique unit) instead of BTS art.
12: Italian Cavalry instead of BTS art.
13: Russian Cavalry art (not the unique unit) instead of BTS art.
14: Roman Swordsman art (not the unique unit) instead of BTS art.
15: European Spies all use this art.
16: Indian Spies all use this art.
17: Ottoman Musketmen art (not the unique unit) instead of BTS art.
18: Native American Axeman art (not the unique unit) instead of BTS art.
19: South American Great Statesman instead of the Standard Great Statesman.
20: Congo uses African missionary art and African great people art.
21: Zulu Spearman art (not the unique unit) instead of BTS art.
22: Mali Archer (not unique unit) instead of BTS art.
23,24,25,26: Protestant Missionaries in Congo, Mali, Ethiopia and Zulu use African catholic missionary art.
27: Japanese Heavy Swordsman art (not the unique unit) instead of BTS art.
28: Repaired Italian Axeman art.
29: Indian Spies all use this art.
30: Congo worker art instead of the slave unit art.
31: Incan warrior instead of BTS art.
32,33,34: South American Great Statesman instead of the Standard Great Statesman.
35,36,37: Settlers use the settler formation.
38: European Spies all use this art.
39: Greek Axeman art (not the unique unit) instead of BTS art.
40: Byzantine Knight art (not the unique unit) instead of BTS art.
41: Ethiopia Musketmen art (not the unique unit) instead of BTS art.
42: European Spies all use this art.
43: Celtic Swordsman art (not the unique unit) instead of BTS art.
44: Celtic Great Prophet instead of BTS art.
45,46,47: Canada doesn't use English units that have the English flag plastered all over them.
48: Byzantium worker art instead of BTS art.
49: Congo uses African missionary and great people art.
50: Babylon Archer art (not the unique unit) instead of BTS art.
51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59: Congo uses African missionary art and African great people art.
60: Arabian Knight art instead of BTS art.