Superheroes!

[Timsup2nothin]

Batgirl and Batwoman are different characters in the Batcerse canon....

Okay. So, the one recently and potentially ongoingly appearing on the CW would be...? I was thinking Batgirl, because...well...I dunno...I guess I got it from Egon.

 

[Cutlass]

Okay. So, the one recently and potentially ongoingly appearing on the CW would be...? I was thinking Batgirl, because...well...I dunno...I guess I got it from Egon.

That's Batwoman. Batwoman is Kate Kane, who was kicked out of West Point for being a lesbian. Batgirl is Barbara Gordon, who is the daughter of Commissioner Gordon, and later goes on to be the character Oracle in the Birds of Prey series.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That's Batwoman. Batwoman is Kate Kane, who was kicked out of West Point for being a lesbian. Batgirl is Barbara Gordon, who is the daughter of Commissioner Gordon, and later goes on to be the character Oracle in the Birds of Prey series.

Cool. I wonder if Berlanti knows that.

Oh, and apologies to Egon for passing off my ignorance by trying to blame him. I looked back and he clearly said Batwoman and the error is all mine.

 

[Cutlass]

To be fair, Batwoman is a character I wasn't familiar with until recently either.

 

[Kyriakos]

Will batinfant and batfetus also make it?

 

[EgonSpengler]

not only is Kate Kane not a cousin to Bruce Wayne, but they don't really know each other. They're barely acquainted, either in or out of costume.

I was surprised by the cousin bit, too.

Interesting trivia about the Superman appearance: While they used the set for the Kent farm which could have been straight out of the Smallville series, the actress they picked to be Lois Lane looked a hell of a lot like Teri Hatcher, who played Lois Lane in Lois and Clark. Only this Lois knew who Clark was.

I think I read that the farm really was the same one they used in Smallville, but don't quote me on that. They intro music was definitely the same. I read something from Tulloch in which she said the only Lois she was familiar with was Margot Kidder. She also said that people told her she looked like Kidder, long before she was cast as Lois. I don't really see that, myself, but at any rate, I thought Tulloch did a fine job, in a brief appearance, and she was definitely on the Kidder & Hatcher branch of the Lois Lane tree, of which I approve (Amy Adams and Kate Bosworth just didn't *ahem* fly with me).

I think it set up fine for a Batgirl series. What does it really take to set up a series, after all? Introduce the main character; check. Provide setting; check.[...]

While it seems like Heochlin could easily carry a Superman series I just can't see how to make it happen. First off, I have to think that the expense of the rights would be a deal breaker. But setting that aside, how do you keep it from being Supergirl Redux on a weekly basis? It's tough enough coming up with interesting plots that show the indestructible hero overcoming perilous circumstances once a week.

Right, in both cases I was just referring to the actor's performance.

I agree about Superman; when people started talking about Hoechlin leading a new Superman series 2 years ago, my first thought was about how they'd differentiate it from Supergirl. Supergirl is no longer so heavily patterned on Superman as it was in the first season, so at least some of that stepping-on-toes problem has already been resolved, but they would still have to move the Superman story forward (in fact, I guess they already have - did they ever have children in the comics?). His classic conflict with Lex Luthor, for instance, has mostly already happened in the Berlantiverse mythology. General Zod and Brainiac wouldn't make as much sense anymore, either. On the bright side, as you say, that would free the writers to really take Supes & Lois off into a whole new story arc. They could kind of do anything with the character, which might be a bigger challenge than a simple retelling of the classic stories.

Speaking of which, I've never watched the Krypton prequel series. A friend said it was better than he'd expected it to be. Not exactly a ringing endorsement, but maybe it's worth a look.

That's Batwoman. Batwoman is Kate Kane, who was kicked out of West Point for being a lesbian. Batgirl is Barbara Gordon, who is the daughter of Commissioner Gordon, and later goes on to be the character Oracle in the Birds of Prey series.

I think there was another Batgirl, while Barbara Gordon was in the wheelchair. I think that character will appear in the Birds of Prey movie, as a little girl. And I think Barbara Gordon will not be in that movie, even though I think she was the one who formed the team, in the comics.

Oh, and apologies to Egon for passing off my ignorance by trying to blame him. I looked back and he clearly said Batwoman and the error is all mine.

Heh. Thanks. You actually did make me look back to see if I'd accidentally written 'Batgirl.'

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Speaking of which, I've never watched the Krypton prequel series. A friend said it was better than he'd expected it to be. Not exactly a ringing endorsement, but maybe it's worth a look.

Meh. I watched a couple-three episodes and faded. I'm hard to impress with a prequel, since there's the obvious hurdle that you know how it turns out. They used the "false red herring" of time traveling intervention versus time traveling time line maintenance to try to get around it, and time travel is always hard to pull off without creating more inconsistencies and irritations than it is worth. They didn't pull it off.

 

[EgonSpengler]

Meh. I watched a couple-three episodes and faded. I'm hard to impress with a prequel, since there's the obvious hurdle that you know how it turns out. They used the "false red herring" of time traveling intervention versus time traveling time line maintenance to try to get around it, and time travel is always hard to pull off without creating more inconsistencies and irritations than it is worth. They didn't pull it off.

I'm wary of prequels, myself. Frequently they're an effort to explain or expound something that was meant to be vague or filled in by the viewer's imagination. I haven't watched the recent Han Solo movie, for instance. Some characters - The Joker; Hannibal Lecter - are supposed to be inscrutable, imho, and shouldn't have an origin story. That's one reason I liked Ledger's Joker more than Nicholson's. There are people who wanted the backstory of a character like Shepherd Book in Firefly / Serenity, but I think we know all we need to know about him. A prequel like Star Trek: Enterprise actually compromised its cousins by introducing characters and historical events that were naturally absent from the other series, which took place later. And worse, the show and the ongoing storylines gained nothing by being a prequel series (there was one exception, to my memory; the episode "Regeneration" actually added something to the canon, by telling us fourteen years later that Q wasn't just being a schmuck when he flung Picard's Enterprise to the Delta Quadrant in "Q Who?"). Also, I thought Rogue One was pretty cool. So there are a small handful of prequels that I like. Gotham started out with a good idea, but quickly devolved into the kind of prequel that aggravates me.

 

[EgonSpengler]

I haven't seen Aquaman yet, but you have to give Jason Momoa credit for hurling himself headfirst into it. If he runs into a brick wall, he's gonna do it at full speed. Last night at the film's premier, he performed a haka with the movie's Maori cast (Momoa is Hawaiian). Temuera Morrison (Jango Fett; Abin Sur) is in the back, with a blue shirt and a bald head. The little kids are Momoa & Bonet's son and daughter.

 

[Cutlass]

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I think there was another Batgirl, while Barbara Gordon was in the wheelchair. I think that character will appear in the Birds of Prey movie, as a little girl. And I think Barbara Gordon will not be in that movie, even though I think she was the one who formed the team, in the comics.

Reading up on some of this on Wiki, the Batverse has been retconned so many times that seems to me there essentially is no canon. And they can do whatever they want.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Reading up on some of this on Wiki, the Batverse has been retconned so many times that seems to me there essentially is no canon. And they can do whatever they want.

Well, that's sort of the power behind the multi-verse. This earth has a Flash and a Green Arrow, that earth has a Superman and a Supergirl. On Flash's earth Batman apparently bailed out, so maybe that's the Earth where Kane took over Gotham, or maybe not. Some earths probably have Batman and Superman, like Justice League movie earth, others have one or the other or neither. Some have Batgirl, some have Batwoman, who may or may not be a cousin, and again there might be both, or neither. And everyone but a select few always think they are on the earth.

 

[Cutlass]

Well, that's sort of the power behind the multi-verse. This earth has a Flash and a Green Arrow, that earth has a Superman and a Supergirl. On Flash's earth Batman apparently bailed out, so maybe that's the Earth where Kane took over Gotham, or maybe not. Some earths probably have Batman and Superman, like Justice League movie earth, others have one or the other or neither. Some have Batgirl, some have Batwoman, who may or may not be a cousin, and again there might be both, or neither. And everyone but a select few always think they are on the earth.

And they can do whatever they want.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

And they can do whatever they want.

Well, yeah.

 

[EgonSpengler]

I read a 2008 interview with Zack Snyder in which he pretty much spells out what a terrible choice he would be to guide a comic-book superhero movie franchise, how little respect he has for that entire genre. Warner Bros. pretty much got what they were asking for from his vision of those characters and stories.

 

[Cutlass]

Past couple of weeks I've had this Batman-Catwoman family story running around my brain. I dunno if I'll ever find the motivation to type any of it out.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

Went to a screening for Aquaman last night and it was amazing. Best of the DCU films imo. I wasn't sure how they'd pull off the underwater scenes, but it all worked beautifully. I wish WB would have just followed the MCU model and released four or five stand-alone films first, so that when Justice League finally came along we'd actually care about the characters.

p.s. Not necessarily a superhero, but went to another screening tonight for Bumblebee. I was almost in tears with how good it was compared to the Bay movies. I was so impressed with how much care and thought Travis Knight & Christina Hodson put into the characters, story, & fan service. Not to mention the wonderful performance by Hailee Steinfeld. I sincerely hope this becomes a soft reboot for the series.

 

[Cutlass]

I've been pretty unimpressed with the Aquaman trailers I've seen so far. So I was a bit discouraged from going out of the way to see the movie.

 

[EgonSpengler]

Aquaman and Bumblebee are both getting decent reviews. Both benefit from and/or are burdened by their association with franchises that have been less-than-awesome. (Personal confession, I thought the first Transformers was kind of fun, although I haven't ever watched it a 2nd time.) Spider-Man: Into the Spiderverse, otoh, has been getting absolutely rave reviews, with some people saying it's fighting The Incredibles as the best animated superhero movie of all time. For a time, The Incredibles was my favorite superhero movie ever, animated or otherwise. That was 4 years before the revolution (that would be 2008, if you're wondering - and if you don't know what happened in 2008, get out of this thread until you do ).

Spoiler :

I'm kidding. 2008 was when Iron Man and The Dark Knight were released.

Anyway, I haven't seen any of them yet, but I hope to see at least one of them over the holidays. Spider-Man first, then Bumblebee. I'll probably only see Aquaman if I've already seen the other two.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

The Aquaman trailers were what really got me interested in seeing it. Didn't much care for Spiderverse. The story was OK, but it was the animation and soundtrack that really didn't work for me. I could see how it would appeal to some though.

 

[Cutlass]