Superheroes!

[BenitoChavez]

They gave her super sayian hair @ 1:49

 

[EgonSpengler]

Kevin Smith: "You’re f*****d, Thanos! I just saw @captainmarvel soaring through space and blasting starships like she’s on a 70’s album cover!"

 

[EgonSpengler]

I was a little bummed out that the teaser scene for Elseworlds at the end of The Flash was exactly the same scene as at the end of Supergirl. It would've been cool if the two or three little, 90-second bits would add up to a kind of mini-prologue, for the people who watch all three shows.

Shipp's retro costume can't be the real thing, can it? I assume it's just a faithful recreation, but it would amuse me if they actually dug the old threads out of the warehouse.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I was a little bummed out that the teaser scene for Elseworlds at the end of The Flash was exactly the same scene as at the end of Supergirl. It would've been cool if the two or three little, 90-second bits would add up to a kind of mini-prologue, for the people who watch all three shows.

Shipp's retro costume can't be the real thing, can it? I assume it's just a faithful recreation, but it would amuse me if they actually dug the old threads out of the warehouse.

I'm already being coerced into watching one episode of Arrow. Not that I really mind, but I don't think an entire episode to catch the teaser at the end would be fair.

 

[EgonSpengler]

I'm already being coerced into watching one episode of Arrow. Not that I really mind, but I don't think an entire episode to catch the teaser at the end would be fair.

Yeah, I probably would've skipped to the end myself (though I might stop to watch Emily Bett Rickards for a minute).

 

[Laurana Kanan]

Avengers...

Spoiler :

Endgame

Spoiler :

Spoiler :

 

[BenitoChavez]

HAWKEYE! HE'S BACK!

I mean, I already knew that from the leaked photos but still

 

[Laurana Kanan]

HAWKEYE! HE'S BACK!

Wouldn't this be his Ronin alter ego?

 

[EgonSpengler]

Wouldn't this be his Ronin alter ego?

The popular theory is that Thanos dusted his family.

Even if Endgame concludes with everyone coming back from the dead, I think the deaths of Hawkeye's family could be used to set up a Renner series on Disney+. After all, he decided to hang up his bow and be a family man, and look what happened. Would one more guy have made a difference at the Battle of Wakanda? We'll never know, but it's easy to imagine that Clint could decide he needs to get back in the game.

 

[Cutlass]

So anyone watch the start of the CW super crossover event?

Spoiler :

The Batwoman appearance was a letdown, as she was only shown in the end, at a distance, in silhouette.

Now I haven't gotten into these shows because the little that I've looked at them I didn't really like them. And this ep kind of demonstrated why: The Flash's backup dancers are annoying as hell. Now I get that having a backup crew is good sense, and more superheros could use one. But why these people? That geek kid is annoying enough, but that tea drinking jackass, I could only think that I want to string him up over a crocodile pit by his feet until he decides that yes, he can actually behave like a human being! And what role did either of the girls serve other than being eye candy?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So anyone watch the start of the CW super crossover event?

Spoiler :

The Batwoman appearance was a letdown, as she was only shown in the end, at a distance, in silhouette.

Now I haven't gotten into these shows because the little that I've looked at them I didn't really like them. And this ep kind of demonstrated why: The Flash's backup dancers are annoying as hell. Now I get that having a backup crew is good sense, and more superheros could use one. But why these people? That geek kid is annoying enough, but that tea drinking jackass, I could only think that I want to string him up over a crocodile pit by his feet until he decides that yes, he can actually behave like a human being! And what role did either of the girls serve other than being eye candy?

I'm recording all three parts first.

 

[EgonSpengler]

I enjoyed the first episode more than I expected to.

With the collapse of WB's Justice League movie franchise seemingly imminent, I can't but wonder if a Superman series will join the Berlantiverse lineup. People have been talking about Hoechlin getting a show from the moment he first appeared on Supergirl, and the debut of Lois here seems too much of a coincidence.

Hey, that reminds me, I was thinking that if Affleck and Cavill depart, and the Flash movie never gets off the ground, is it possible that the Berlantiverse could become a crossover television-and-movie franchise? From the trailers, it kind of looks like Momoa's Aquaman is a big-budget version of one of these CW shows, and he has a lot of experience with television. Nobody's quite pulled off the tv-and-film crossover bit yet. Marvel chickened out, and Agents of SHIELD and the Netflix series are seemingly further apart from the Avengers characters than the CW characters who literally live on parallel Earths. The Dark Tower was originally going to be a cross-media franchise, but that fell apart fast.

 

[Cutlass]

I saw enough of the Arrow series to know what the origin story according to the TV show was. After all, flashbacks were 1/3 of every episode. But according to the actual comics, what was Green Arrow's backstory and reason for being a vigilante?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I read Green Arrow comics and I have no idea. Clearly a man of mystery. I have to say though that this crossover thing is effective. I might start watching Arrow.

Also, gotta admire Berlanti's audacity, ending on a teaser for next year's crossover event.

 

[EgonSpengler]

I think the stranded-on-island, learned-to-use-bow bit comes from the Golden Age origin story. An homage to Robinson Crusoe, I guess. I read Green Lantern/Green Arrow back in the day, and Mike Grell's The Longbow Hunters, but I also don't really remember his backstory being an important part of the character, as it is with some other characters. I'd be surprised if he hasn't been "retconned" a bunch since then, though.

 

[EgonSpengler]

Overall I thought Elseworlds was great. Much funnier than I was expecting. I liked the insights that Barry and Ollie got into each other, and I like seeing the three heroes together without their entourages. Tyler Heochlin was great, especially when he was playing Deegan. They need to adopt the collar from the black costume for his regular blue-and-reds. If this crossover was supposed to set up a new spinoff, it was clearly Superman and not Batwoman (no reason they couldn't do both, of course). I like all of the Easter Eggs, although I wouldn't blame anyone who thought they went a little overboard.

I'm very much looking forward to Crisis. If you were wondering and haven't looked it up yet, the guy in the gold mask is Psycho Pirate, who played a role in Crisis in the comics. Like everybody else, I'm wondering what deal Ollie made with The Monitor. Famously, both Kara Danvers and Barry Allen were casualties of the Crisis in the comics (Supergirl paid homage to the famous cover illustration of Superman carrying Supergirl's body). Obviously, they're both pillars of the CW's lineup, so the writers had to change something. But what? Some people think Ollie offered to sacrifice himself, and season 8 of Arrow will be its last.

On the negative side of the ledger, there were just a huge number of inconsistencies, which I could brush off individually, but the pile just kept bigger and bigger. Also, they seem to have trouble sticking the landing on these crossovers; the ending was a bit less awesome than the rest of it. Paying homage to a Superman scene that's been the butt of jokes for 40 years was just not a great idea. If it were me, I'd have done the "You've got me? Who's got you?" bit with Kara and alternate-James or alternate-Alex. I'm also really not sold on Ruby Rose. I never read Batwoman's comic, but where I think she was supposed to be enigmatic and hard-edged, she came off as a little wooden. Maybe Rose should buy Krysten Ritter lunch and pick her brain for some insights on playing a thorny character without actually being inaccessible.

 

[Kyriakos]

Venom (2018) sucked. It was mostly comedy. The trailer made it look more grimdark.

 

[Cutlass]

Overall I thought Elseworlds was great. Much funnier than I was expecting. I liked the insights that Barry and Ollie got into each other, and I like seeing the three heroes together without their entourages. Tyler Heochlin was great, especially when he was playing Deegan. They need to adopt the collar from the black costume for his regular blue-and-reds. If this crossover was supposed to set up a new spinoff, it was clearly Superman and not Batwoman (no reason they couldn't do both, of course). I like all of the Easter Eggs, although I wouldn't blame anyone who thought they went a little overboard.

I'm very much looking forward to Crisis. If you were wondering and haven't looked it up yet, the guy in the gold mask is Psycho Pirate, who played a role in Crisis in the comics. Like everybody else, I'm wondering what deal Ollie made with The Monitor. Famously, both Kara Danvers and Barry Allen were casualties of the Crisis in the comics (Supergirl paid homage to the famous cover illustration of Superman carrying Supergirl's body). Obviously, they're both pillars of the CW's lineup, so the writers had to change something. But what? Some people think Ollie offered to sacrifice himself, and season 8 of Arrow will be its last.

On the negative side of the ledger, there were just a huge number of inconsistencies, which I could brush off individually, but the pile just kept bigger and bigger. Also, they seem to have trouble sticking the landing on these crossovers; the ending was a bit less awesome than the rest of it. Paying homage to a Superman scene that's been the butt of jokes for 40 years was just not a great idea. If it were me, I'd have done the "You've got me? Who's got you?" bit with Kara and alternate-James or alternate-Alex. I'm also really not sold on Ruby Rose. I never read Batwoman's comic, but where I think she was supposed to be enigmatic and hard-edged, she came off as a little wooden. Maybe Rose should buy Krysten Ritter lunch and pick her brain for some insights on playing a thorny character without actually being inaccessible.

See, I really didn't think the crossover thing was that good. But maybe that's just me not being a DC geek. I've been on a sort of Batman kick lately. But I don't have that much of a feel for the tier 2 DC heroes. And so all I really can see is just how bad the writing is on this, and how pretty much none of the characters are likeable.

On Batwoman, I've recently read 2 graphic novels of her that have her origin story, and it's mostly consistent between the 2. Plus she was in one Batman animated film I saw recently. So between those 3 sources, not only is Kate Kane not a cousin to Bruce Wayne, but they don't really know each other. They're barely acquainted, either in or out of costume.

Interesting trivia about the Superman appearance: While they used the set for the Kent farm which could have been straight out of the Smallville series, the actress they picked to be Lois Lane looked a hell of a lot like Teri Hatcher, who played Lois Lane in Lois and Clark. Only this Lois knew who Clark was.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Overall I thought Elseworlds was great. Much funnier than I was expecting. I liked the insights that Barry and Ollie got into each other, and I like seeing the three heroes together without their entourages. Tyler Heochlin was great, especially when he was playing Deegan. They need to adopt the collar from the black costume for his regular blue-and-reds. If this crossover was supposed to set up a new spinoff, it was clearly Superman and not Batwoman (no reason they couldn't do both, of course). I like all of the Easter Eggs, although I wouldn't blame anyone who thought they went a little overboard.

I'm very much looking forward to Crisis. If you were wondering and haven't looked it up yet, the guy in the gold mask is Psycho Pirate, who played a role in Crisis in the comics. Like everybody else, I'm wondering what deal Ollie made with The Monitor. Famously, both Kara Danvers and Barry Allen were casualties of the Crisis in the comics (Supergirl paid homage to the famous cover illustration of Superman carrying Supergirl's body). Obviously, they're both pillars of the CW's lineup, so the writers had to change something. But what? Some people think Ollie offered to sacrifice himself, and season 8 of Arrow will be its last.

On the negative side of the ledger, there were just a huge number of inconsistencies, which I could brush off individually, but the pile just kept bigger and bigger. Also, they seem to have trouble sticking the landing on these crossovers; the ending was a bit less awesome than the rest of it. Paying homage to a Superman scene that's been the butt of jokes for 40 years was just not a great idea. If it were me, I'd have done the "You've got me? Who's got you?" bit with Kara and alternate-James or alternate-Alex. I'm also really not sold on Ruby Rose. I never read Batwoman's comic, but where I think she was supposed to be enigmatic and hard-edged, she came off as a little wooden. Maybe Rose should buy Krysten Ritter lunch and pick her brain for some insights on playing a thorny character without actually being inaccessible.

Agree on the great, for sure.

I think it set up fine for a Batgirl series. What does it really take to set up a series, after all? Introduce the main character; check. Provide setting; check. So Batgirl hangs out in Gotham on the same earth as Arrow and The Flash are happening on, and Gotham is such a wreck that even Oliver doesn't hang around there. Batman boned out, which is consistent with the last round of Batman movies, so we know enough about Gotham City to get going. Oh, and we know that next seasons Crisis Crossover event will involve people who are currently locked up in Arkham Asylum.

While it seems like Heochlin could easily carry a Superman series I just can't see how to make it happen. First off, I have to think that the expense of the rights would be a deal breaker. But setting that aside, how do you keep it from being Supergirl Redux on a weekly basis? It's tough enough coming up with interesting plots that show the indestructible hero overcoming perilous circumstances once a week. Unless they think they can go whole hog with "retired superman takes up the mantle of Jor-El and leads Argo City into the future," leaving Earth completely out of it. Personally, I think that would make great television.

I think maybe I am a lot more willing/able to just go along for the ride. Inconsistencies don't bother me, because I don't catch them. Excessive Easter eggs don't bother me, because I generally don't catch them either. I watch television mindlessly, the way it is intended.

 

[Cutlass]

Agree on the great, for sure.

I think it set up fine for a Batgirl series. What does it really take to set up a series, after all? Introduce the main character; check. Provide setting; check. So Batgirl hangs out in Gotham on the same earth as Arrow and The Flash are happening on, and Gotham is such a wreck that even Oliver doesn't hang around there. Batman boned out, which is consistent with the last round of Batman movies, so we know enough about Gotham City to get going. Oh, and we know that next seasons Crisis Crossover event will involve people who are currently locked up in Arkham Asylum.

While it seems like Heochlin could easily carry a Superman series I just can't see how to make it happen. First off, I have to think that the expense of the rights would be a deal breaker. But setting that aside, how do you keep it from being Supergirl Redux on a weekly basis? It's tough enough coming up with interesting plots that show the indestructible hero overcoming perilous circumstances once a week. Unless they think they can go whole hog with "retired superman takes up the mantle of Jor-El and leads Argo City into the future," leaving Earth completely out of it. Personally, I think that would make great television.

I think maybe I am a lot more willing/able to just go along for the ride. Inconsistencies don't bother me, because I don't catch them. Excessive Easter eggs don't bother me, because I generally don't catch them either. I watch television mindlessly, the way it is intended.

Batgirl and Batwoman are different characters in the Batcerse canon....