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Discussion in 'Arts & Entertainment' started by EgonSpengler, Mar 10, 2015.

  1. BenitoChavez

    BenitoChavez Whispering Walrus

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    Loki is a similar deal. The time stone was taken from 2012 so when Loki teleports with the space stone it is in an alternate timeline. I've read somewhere that his show is going to take place in this alternate timeline but that might be unsubstantiated rumor for all I know.

    As for Steve returning the stones and staying with Peggy in the past, well I have issues with that. The movie only says that removing stones is what causes timeline splits but it stays silent on if any other actions would cause a split. For example, if after going to the past one of the Avengers killed someone, someone important to the timeline. That surely would cause events to unfold differently wouldn't it? So how big of a change needs to occur for a split to happen? Does Steve going back to Peggy, even if he keeps a low profile the rest of his life cause a split? Does someone's mere presence displace some air molecules creating a Butterfly Effect that results in some severe change in weather patterns? Since the movie doesn't give answers, we have to fill them in ourselves. I say that any change no matter how minor causes a split. So taking the avengers taking the stones from a timeline, Steve returning the stones, Steve staying with Peggy in the past, Hawkeye's test jump in the middle of the movie, all those cause splits.

    You posted a graphic a while ago that nicely summarizes the convoluted timeline nonsense.

    I'm pretty interested by WandaVision. I saw a poster that makes it look like some unsettling 1950s Stepford Wives inspired type of deal. I got no idea how that is going to work as Vision is dead and neither Vision nor Wanda were alive in the 50s even in any split timelines. It would have to be something completely different like an alternate universe unlike anything we saw in Endgame.
     
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  2. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Another drone in the hive mind

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    A creation of the mindstone, fed by AIJarvis' 'memories' of being actual Jarvis.
     
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  3. EgonSpengler

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    One problem I have with that animated graphic was that it put Steve & Peggy in a new, alternate timeline, which then means you have to explain how elderly-Steve ended up on the bench, talking to Sam. I find it less aggravating to believe that Steve could keep his head down and avoid making any major changes.

    One of my own theories about travel to the past makes this at least a little easier: That Steve only needs to avoid changing things that he knows about. Small changes to history actually aren't changes at all, because they've already happened and are part of the timeline. Based on what we've seen (outlined in my post a couple of pages back), it's actually plausible that Steve was growing old with Peggy the entire time we were watching the MCU movies. In fact, it almost looks like Kevin Feige was being careful not to ever reveal Peggy's husband, as far back as The Winter Soldier. Steve only had to reappear in Peggy's life after the events of her tv series to maintain consistency, in most respects.

    Steve would have to remain "hands-off" on the big, historical events, but that shouldn't be too hard for him since none of those things have any resonance to him. He might not know anything about JFK or Martin Luther King, Jr. The Vietnam War and 9/11 aren't things he lived through, they're just chapters in a history book he may or may not have read. It's the personal stuff that would gnaw at him, and for those we'd have lean on his character and willpower, which is clearly sufficient to the task. Like he says, he can do this all day.

    I admit to having a bias against "multiverses", but I think it's tidier if Steve has been in the main MCU timeline the entire time.

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    I was thinking some more about the idea that the Thanos who died in 2023 was actually from an alternate universe, and that fits with something else we know: After Captain America fought himself in 2012 and Loki escaped with the Tesseract, our heroes returned to their future, not the future of that alternate timeline. This holds with my theory that The Quantum Realm enables more than just time travel, but also hopping into alternate dimensions (and I think we already knew that alternate dimensions existed, from Doctor Strange, but I'd have to go back and watch that movie again, I've only seen it once). This allows for things like The Micronauts and The Negative Zone to be introduced into the MCU in the future (and I think Annihilus would be a good villain for the first FF MCU movie).

    Also, the multiverse theory is supported by Agents of SHIELD. In that show, the team was propelled into the future, where Earth had been destroyed and one of them was killed. They were able to go back to the present and rescue their colleague before he was killed. The show has always kept itself at arm's length from the MCU, but now it's official: The show is now in an alternate timeline. It might have been before they went into the future too, because in that future, the Earth was destroyed, but before they went into the future, one of the Agents dropped a line about "stuff happening in New York", presumably the big ring-ship at the beginning of Infinity War. It's all a huge mess. :lol:
     
  4. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Another drone in the hive mind

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    Steve doesn't need to avoid making changes, because the timeline as it exists is the timeline with him in it. No one knew that he was there all along, and that is the only fact that has to be maintained.
     
  5. EgonSpengler

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    This is nuts.

     
  6. Timsup2nothin

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    I'm starting to wonder if Disney had a change of thinking or if they just haven't put the clamps on yet. If you posted a YouTube video of your high school dance team dressed as Snow White and the Seven Dwarves YouTube, the school, and everyone involved would be on the wrong end of a cease and desist letter the next day. I see Marvel costumes everywhere. Personally I think it is good for the brand, but it seems contradictory.
     
  7. EgonSpengler

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    I agree, something like this or that high school production of Alien can only be good for the films.
     
  8. EgonSpengler

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    Reading this-n-that about who's going to be in Crisis on Infinite Earths...

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    Cress Williams and Tom Welling are both confirmed.

    ...got me to wondering if they could get Helen Slater and Dean Cain into some version of the blue-and-red, and if so, would Kara and Alex be like, "Hey, am I crazy or does Superwoman from Earth-25 look a little like mom?" "I was just thinking the same thing!"
     
  9. Synsensa

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    Excuse me, Tom Welling?

    Damnit, Egon.

    Damn you.

    Now I have to catch up on everything.
     
  10. EgonSpengler

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    He hasn't appeared in any of the shows yet. It hasn't even been confirmed who he'll be playing, but c'mon, why else would he be in Crisis?

    [EDIT: Deadline confirms that he is playing Clark.]

    I'm also wondering if we'll catch a glimpse of the alternate John Diggle. I presume the CGI for a Green Lantern in one of these shows would be insane on The CW's budget, but as a little bit of fan service, maybe.
     
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    Random bits:
    • Turns out Hasbro still owns The Micronauts, and they're working on a film with Paramount. So, no connection to the MCU there.
    • Geoffrey Wright as Jim Gordon? Sold.
    • Jonah Hill as The Riddler? Hmm.
    • I'm still undecided about whether to see Joker, which opens October 4th. atm, I'm not planning to wait in line or anything.
    • Simone Missick, in an interview about her new show, said she'd be up for playing Misty Knight again, but it sounded like she isn't holding her breath. Daughters of the Dragon and Daredevil are the only continuations of the Netflix series that would get me excited, but it's unclear to me whether Netflix owns the characters or just the specific series they produced. I would assume the actors' contracts expired when the production of the series were officially canceled. I don't know what Jessica Henwick is doing these days.
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  13. EgonSpengler

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    Entertainment Weekly says The CW is developing a "backdoor pilot" for a new series, spun off from Arrow, that will feature Mia Smoak - daughter of Oliver and Felicity, and Star City's Green Arrow in 2030 - with Laurel Lance and Dinah Drake. I didn't keep up with Arrow last season, so I haven't seen the character or the actress and have no idea whether this is a good idea. This picture of the Canaries lookin' like they're about to put somebody out is cool, though.

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  14. Synsensa

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    They had a baby? That relationship is still a thing? Christ. I'm in for a bad time with the later seasons, aren't I?
     
  15. EgonSpengler

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    I dunno, I haven't kept up with Arrow, either. I'll probably give it a go this season, if only for the run-up to Crisis.
     
  16. EgonSpengler

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    Deadline says that Lynda Carter could appear in Crisis On Infinite Earths... as Diana Prince, not as President Marsden, the character she played in Supergirl.
     
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    The cancellation of Hulu's Ghost Rider show has of course spawned rumor-mongering that skullface will be joining the big-screen MCU. I thought Luna was great in Agents of SHIELD. No idea if he could carry a film, but we'll see how he does in Terminator: Dark Fate. If they don't go with Luna, I think Ghost Rider would be an interesting choice for a gender-flip, and the nature of the character - that The Spirit of Vengeance chooses a new host from time to time - makes it easy to explain. It's also easy to see a version of Marvel Comics' The Defenders on the big screen - Dr. Strange, Hulk or She-Hulk, Ghost Rider; maybe add Blade and Scarlet Witch - although I don't know if they could use the name.
     
  18. EgonSpengler

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    Well, this happened faster than I thought it would.

    Deadline Hollywood
    , 27 Sept 2019 - "Spidey Web Untangled: Sony Agrees to Deal [With Marvel-Disney]"

     
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    First look at Audrey Marie Anderson in her Harbinger suit. I think it looks pretty good. Just as well they skipped the helmet and the hair and the bare legs; Anderson probably has the legs for it, if they decided to go that way, but I think this fits better with the shows' aesthetic.

    I remember Harbinger from the Crisis on Infinite Earths comic, but I'd totally forgotten her real name. So when "Lyla Michaels" showed up on Arrow as Diggle's wife, I never made the connection until somebody pointed it out, when Crisis was announced.

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