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Discussion in 'Civ4 - Caveman 2 Cosmos' started by Vokarya, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. Little Abigail

    Little Abigail Chieftain

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    Hey Vokarya, would you mind listing off the last part of the Modern Era techs? I enjoy reading them and looking at what you did.
     
  2. ls612

    ls612 Deity Moderator

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    The next step (not yet, I have a lot of other things to do first) would be for me to go back and find all of MrAzure's Galactic Era ideas and turn them into a reasonable number of techs. He has a lot of gems in his stuff which I think can be salvaged.
     
  3. strategyonly

    strategyonly C2C Supreme Commander

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    I COMPLETELY agree with you on this, BUT Please ask Civ Fuerher for advice also, he is the only reason, why i agreed to do the Galactic Era with Hydro in the beginning.
     
  4. Vokarya

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    The reason I suggested the Asteroid Mining mission is that I think it can be done without multi-maps. Once multi-maps are working, then it wouldn't be necessary and could be removed, but I was thinking of something that is not out of reach with the current tools.
     
  5. Vokarya

    Vokarya Deity

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    As requested, here is the last part of the Modern Era.

    Column 1
    Tech Date Event
    Guided Weapons 1972 First use of laser-guided weapons
    Volcanology 1973 Walker publishes Explosive Volcanic Eruptions
    Planetary Exploration 1975 Landers on Mars and Venus
    Genetics 1977 DNA Sequencing developed
    Extreme Sports 1979 First bungee jump
    Communication Networks 1979 First analog cellular phones
    Derivatives 1982 Development of the FIRE Economy
    Unmanned Air Vehicles 1982 UAVs used in Lebanon War
    Forensics 1983 DNA fingerprinting technique invented
    Gene Manipulation 1983 First genetically engineered plant
    Biomaterials 1983 Biodiesel fuel in production
    War Simulations 1983 RAND Strategy Assessment Center in action
    Magnetic Levitation 1984 First commercial maglev system (Birmingham airport)
    Superstring Theory 1984 Green-Schwarz mechanism
    Nanotechnology 1985 Discovery of fullerenes
    Virtual Reality 1985 VPL Research founded
    3D Printing 1986 First industrial 3D printers
    Superconductors 1986 High-temperature superconductors discovered
    Neural Networks 1986 Rumelhart and others publish Learning representations by back-propagating errors
    Bioinformatics 1990 BLAST algorithm for comparing biological sequence info
    Knowledge Management 1991 Nonaka publishes The knowledge-creating company
    Cloning 1996 First cloned mammal (Dolly)
    Media Psychology 1997 Kirschners publish Perspectives on Psychology and the Media
    Machine Learning 1997 Mitchell publishes Machine Learning, formally defines term
    Astrobiology 1998 NASA Astrobiology Institute founded
    Quantum Teleportation 1998 First demonstration of quantum teleportation
    Space Tourism 2001 First paying space tourist (Dennis Tito)
    Cyberwarfare 2003 Titan Rain acknowledged
    Cloud Computing 2006 Amazon Web Service
    Wearable Computers 2010 iPad is first successful tablet computer


    There are a lot more techs here that are hard to pin down. The biggest problem by far is Superconductors, because there are three possible situations that the Superconductors tech could be referring to:
    • Low-temperature superconductors (requiring liquid helium), which were discovered in 1911 and explained in 1957 (BCS theory)
    • High-temperature superconductors (requiring liquid nitrogen), which were discovered in 1986
    • Room-temperature superconductors (no coolant required), which are Transhuman Era at the earliest

    I wound up with the second definition and using Superconductors to refer to high-temperature superconductors; I really didn't think Semiconductors and Superconductors should sit that close together. Magnetic Levitation will be after Superconductors. I have a spreadsheet of all the new prerequisites and placements ready to go, and I only :)lol:) have to edit the XML.
     
  6. rightfuture

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  7. Alex Costa

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    I know we are doing this tech work now but I wanna ask is there any plans for adding something at Pictographs?
     
  8. strategyonly

    strategyonly C2C Supreme Commander

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    More info pls, what do you exactly mean? Buildings/units/cost/food, what??
     
  9. Alex Costa

    Alex Costa Warlord

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    Like the Tech Pictographs in the Preshistoric Area is currently empty. It just leads to other techs and that is it.
     
  10. Dancing Hoskuld

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    There will be buildings there but not yet. I was trying to figure out a "trail sign" promotion or something since these Pictographs have been used to point to water and provide other important guides. If we get the limit on movement from your border working this would be a tech that increases your range.

    BTW I think that the tech Scriptures could be named Moral Code allowing Scriptures to become a building associated with the Holy Shrine and maybe an effect on crime ie it really starts to make sense at this point.
     
  11. Alex Costa

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    That would be a good idea. Perhaps a culture boost to Monuments too or is it OP that way?

    As for the rename of Scriptures it sounds good for me.
     
  12. ls612

    ls612 Deity Moderator

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    IIRC Scriptures was designed to capture the idea that many religions have a holy book, and not to signify the actual physical holy texts of a religion.
     
  13. Hydromancerx

    Hydromancerx C2C Modder

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    @Vokarya

    I talked with Praetyre in the other thread. And he suggested we move Raft building earlier and Canine Domestication later. To make a long story short please change the following ...

    Raft Building
    Req Techs: Simple Wood Working AND Binding
    Location: x10 Y5

    Canoe Building
    Req Techs: Trap Fishing AND Raft Building AND Tanning AND Carpentry

    Canine Domestication
    Req Tech: Hunting Tactics
    Location: X14 Y11

    Thanks in advance! :goodjob:
     
  14. Hydromancerx

    Hydromancerx C2C Modder

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    @Vokarya

    Here is an icon/button for Environmental Economics tech. Please add it. Thanks!
     
  15. Vokarya

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    Correct, it's to signify any religion's holy book. That is why it is a prerequisite for Hinduism (the Vedas and other texts) and Judaism (the Torah). It either doesn't work or is redundant for any other religion.
     
  16. Yudishtira

    Yudishtira Spiritual/Creative

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    While we're on religion prereqs, why Resurrection for Judaism? Of course I could be missing something, but I would appreciate if you'd enlighten me if that's the case.

    If it needs another prereq, you could have one called Messianism - which Christianity, Islam (the Mahdi), Buddhism (the Maitreya) and Asatru (Vali) also kind of have.
     
  17. ls612

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    I've wondered that a bit too, I've been reading the Theology OT thread recently and the orthodox Jews of the times before Christ were rather leery of the concept of resurrection. That was one of the reasons that the Pharisees did not like Jesus. So I don't think necessarily that Judaism should need Resurrection.
     
  18. Yudishtira

    Yudishtira Spiritual/Creative

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    Another thing that just came up for me re techs. In the fine print under Monarchy, (I'm assuming I haven't looked) there's some fine print saying "Can Build Treasury". It's hardly going to stand out, and you might put off teching it in favour of more "sexed-up" techs with bells and whistles (especially as when you do the maths on the two civics it enables, you don't always come out ahead). Well, what I didn't know is that the Treasury (National Wonder) is worth about 65:gold: per turn!

    I dare say that's one big difference between the first time you play C2C, and every other time...:mischief:
     
  19. rightfuture

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    If we can master an Epic and Inspiring Prehistoric Start to C2C, new players can have a good and interesting tutorial that's not boring or repetitive(not to say it is/just to deliver a positive experience and varied replay), and C2C will have a showcase of the best of what C2C offers over all of it's innovations without inspiring any of C2C's potential and superficial criticisms, so new players will give C2C the fair chance it deserves to discover it's deep greatness and so that older players will want it to continue/ won't get burnt out. I think one new version of C2C should be a united effort to create an epic and varied start so that any beginning of a C2C game feels fresh, epic, and varied for any new replay of the game. A taste of the amazing limits the end game of C2C can offer, the ultimate exploration of history and the positive manifest destiny of mankind and what the unity of the ModTeam and the Civ/Civfanatics/C2C community can accomplish. It should be a focused project, and once all the potential historical and alternate/expanded future eras are re-explored/rounded out to be satisfactory to most everyone, given love and attention of everyone, just like the end game should be. An amazing, satisfying, focused, and representative highlighted momentary experience to cap the game. Both beginning of history and the end of the game and future should convey limitless possibility and wonder of mankind's potential and choices. Not to mention convey how prehistory and the future eras are open to paint brush of open speculation and exploration. Only existing history is as fixed as we know. We are just beginning to explore pre-history and the future, as well as the limits of what is possible and what we can create. C2C and the potential for humanity in the future (and the past) is as limited/and unlimited as the C2C ModTeam/Community is willing to consider and explore.
    Why not see what is over than next 'one more turn', hill, valley, idea, technology, possibility for creation? Why limit yourself?
     
  20. rightfuture

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    Here are some ideas to be considered in the mix.

    Glossary of Science Fiction Ideas, Technology and Inventions
    http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/ctnlistalpha.asp
    Spoiler :

    Device Name Book/Story Author Date
    Ablative Heat (Reentry) Shield - very early reference Triplanetary Smith 1934
    Absolute Black - so dark, you can't see it Restaurant at the End of the Universe Adams 1980
    Accelerated Schooling Cities in Flight Blish 1957
    Accelerated Schooling Helmet Cities in Flight Blish 1957
    Acceleration Chair The Mote in God's Eye Niven (w/J. Pournelle) 1974
    Acceleration Couch The Mote in God's Eye Niven (w/J. Pournelle) 1974
    Acceleration Shell The Forever War Haldeman 1974
    Acceleration-tank - very early reference Triplanetary Smith 1934
    Accu-Terrain Floor Natulife Brin 1994
    Acoustic Apparatus (Osophone) - original patent filing Acoustic Apparatus Gernsback 1923
    Actinoscope Ralph 124c 41 + Gernsback 1911
    Adam Selene The Moon is a Harsh Mistress Heinlein 1966
    Adiabatic Pods The Lady Who Sailed The Soul Smith 1960
    Adjustable Television The Simulacra Dick Ace
    Adnix Contact Sagan 1985
    Advertising Airship Blade Runner Scott 1982
    Aerial Telegraph Edison's Conquest of Mars Serviss 1898
    Aeriduct (Rain Maker) - watch for showers A Journey In Other Worlds Astor IV 1894
    Aerocar - first use of idea? The Abduction of Alexandra Seine Smale 1900
    Aeromuse Pillow The Human Blend Foster 2010
    Aerostat Monitor - a small flying platform The Diamond Age Stephenson 1995
    Agfom Potent-Shot - picture the future Clans of the Alphane Moon Dick 1964
    Aggressive-Response Service The Golden Globe Varley 1998
    Agile Recording Robot Solar Lottery Dick 1955
    Agony Box - testing for humans Heretics of Dune Herbert 1984
    Agricultural Robot Pest Controller - picking off the pests Runaway Crichton 1985
    Agricultural World Foundation Asimov 1951
    Air Blast - the first air dryer Coventry Heinlein 1940
    Airbag Jacket - instant Michelin Man Snow Crash Stephenson 1992
    Airboarding Halting State Stross 2007
    Aircab Time Crime Piper 1955
    Aircab - a flying taxi Farewell to the Master Bates 1940
    AIRE - reverse engineering software Mother of Storms Barnes 1994
    Airlock Skylark of Space Smith 1928
    Airmaker - breathe it Ringworld Niven 1970
    Airmakers The Big Rain Anderson 1954
    Air-o-Stat Satellite Five Barnes 1938
    Airplane Window Ads - ads on clouds The Space Merchants Pohl (w/CM Kornbluth) 1952
    Air-Propelled Train - silent mass transit Fahrenheit 451 Bradbury 1953
    Air-Ship (VTOL Airship) The Angel of the Revolution Griffith 1893
    Air-Tight Suit - air-tight dress Edison's Conquest of Mars Serviss 1898
    Airtight Tent Asteroid of Fear Gallun 1951
    Air-to-Surface Missile - first use of concept The Angel of the Revolution Griffith 1893
    Alcodote Space Viking Piper 1962
    Alcoholic Reliever Bad Medicine Sheckley 1956
    Alcoholic Reliever Bad Medicine Sheckley 1956
    Alcohol-Sensing System The Game Players of Titan Dick 1963
    Alderson Point - a wormhole to the stars The Mote in God's Eye Niven (w/J. Pournelle) 1974
    Alibi Archive - personal recording Hominids (Neanderthal Parallax) Sawyer 2003
    Alien Tarantula Engine City MacLeod 2003
    Alien Trojan Out of the Dark Webber 2010
    Allswell Anathem Stephenson 2008
    Alpha Plus Brave New World Huxley 1932
    Alterable License Number Methuselah's Children Heinlein 1941
    AM-280 Needle Rifle A Matter For Men Gerrold 1983
    Ampek F-a2 Recording System The Simulacra Dick Ace
    Analogue - devolution through chemistry The Stars My Destination Bester 1956
    Android The Cometeers Williamson 1936
    Androide - the original Cyclopaedia Chambers 1727
    Andy - an artificial human Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? Dick 1968
    Angel Music Player Flood Baxter 2008
    Annihilator Beam The Conquest of Gola Stone 1931
    Ansible - the ultimate long distance phone Rocannon's World LeGuin 1966
    Answerboard - good name for it Rainbows End Vinge 2006
    Anti-agathic drugs Cities in Flight Blish 1957
    Anti-Gerasone - drink and look younger Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow Vonnegut 1954
    Antigravity - first use The Vanguard of Neptune Walsh 1932
    Anti-Gravity Belt Armageddon: 2419 A.D. Nowlan 1928
    Anti-Heptant To Live Forever Vance 1956
    Antiholo Generator The Ophiuchi Hotline Varley 1977
    Anti-Onc Cream - cancer remedy Earth Brin 1990
    Anti-Spying Device Foundation Asimov 1951
    Antithermal Shield The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch Dick 1965
    Anti-Virus Design Software Super-Cannes: A Novel Ballard 2000
    Apergy (Apergion) - antigravity substance Across the Zodiac Greg 1880
    Arachnofiber Uniforms - Spidey delivers pizza Snow Crash Stephenson 1992
    Architectural Coral - build to any shape A Gift From Earth Niven 1968
    Arcology (Soleri) - maximize your green space Oath of Fealty Pournelle (w/L. Niven) 1981
    Armored Clothing - modern armor The Dosadi Experiment Herbert 1977
    Art-Derm - spray-on skin Dr. Futurity Dick 1960
    Arteria Portal The Algebraist Banks 2004
    Artificial Brain The Metal Giants Hamilton 1926
    Artificial Butterfly Changeling Zelazny 1980
    Artificial eye - first use of this idea? Galactic Patrol Smith 1937
    Artificial Gill Outfit We Can Remember It For You Wholesale Dick 1966
    Artificial Gravity - first mention Brigands of the Moon Cummings 1930
    Artificial Gravity System Last and First Men Stapledon 1930
    Artificial Gravity-Assisted Childbirth Time Enough For Love Heinlein 1973
    Artificial Life Across Space Hamilton 1926
    Artificial Muscles - for cyborgs Cyborg Caidin 1972
    Artificial Planet Star Maker Stapledon 1937
    Artificial Planet - before the Death Star Triplanetary Smith 1934
    Artificial Transparent Element - see through it Last and First Men Stapledon 1930
    Artificial Womb - very early use of concept Brave New World Huxley 1932
    Artificially Grown Organs A Gift From Earth Niven 1968
    Artiforg Ubik Dick 1969
    Artif-Org Cantata 140 Dick 1964
    Artigraft Solar Lottery Dick 1955
    A-Som (Antisomnolence Drugs) Shuteye for the Timebroker Di Filippo 2006
    Assassin Bird - genetically engineered Sparrowhawk Easton 1990
    Assault Ship The Forever War Haldeman 1974
    Asteroid Claim Law Jurisdiction Schachner 1941
    Asteroid Garden Asteroid of Fear Gallun 1951
    Asteroid Homesteaders' School Asteroid of Fear Gallun 1951
    Asteroid Mine - ore from space Love Among The Robots McDowell 1946
    Asteroid Mining Edison's Conquest of Mars Serviss 1898
    Asteroid Mining Robot Catch That Rabbit Asimov 1944
    Asteroid-Metal - raw materials from space The Mechanical Monarch Tubb 1958
    Astrogation (to Astrogate) - steer to the stars Methuselah's Children Heinlein 1941
    Astronaut Across the Zodiac Greg 1880
    Asymptotic Drive Imperial Earth Clarke 1976
    Atlotl/Gibiril Regimen - regrow and rejuvenate The Godmakers Herbert 1972
    Atmosphere Control The Mote in God's Eye Niven (w/J. Pournelle) 1974
    Atmosphere Tester The Emperor of the Stars Schachner (w. AL Zagat) 1931
    Atmospheric Advertising - write it on the clouds In the Year 2889 Verne 1889
    Atmospheric Braking Space Cadet Heinlein 1948
    Atom-Driven Drill Asteroid of Fear Gallun 1951
    Atomic Bomb - very early reference The World Set Free Wells 1914
    Atomic Energy - very early reference. The Crack of Doom Cromie 1895
    Atomic Microscopy The Crack of Doom Cromie 1895
    Atomic-Powered Lifting Suits The Brain Pirates Campbell 1938
    Atom-Shifter The Worlds of Tomorrow Wellman 1940
    Attractive Ray - first use of idea? Crashing Suns Hamilton 1928
    Attractor - come hither and stay still The Conquest of Gola Stone 1931
    Audio Relay - personal RFID transceiver The Puppet Masters Heinlein 1951
    Audiphone Blood of the Moon Cummings 1936
    Auto Course-Finding Pilot Clans of the Alphane Moon Dick 1964
    Auto Shovel The Simulacra Dick Ace
    Autocab Between Planets Heinlein 1951
    Autodoc - automated medical device Ringworld Niven 1970
    Auto-Driven Auto (Spinner) - it drives itself The Dream Master Zelazny 1966
    Autofac (Nanorobots) - a factory that can replicate itself Autofac Dick 1955
    AutoM8 Daemon Suarez 2009
    Automated Apartment Maintenance Ubik Dick 1969
    Automated DNA Typing - from one drop Gattaca Niccol 1997
    Automated Hotel Reservation Methuselah's Children Heinlein 1941
    Automated Restaurant - food from robots A Princess of Mars Burroughs 1912
    Automated Sentry - automatic face recognition Darwin's Children Bear 2003
    Automated Surface Measurement - 100 years before cgi needed it When the Sleeper Wakes Wells 1899
    Automated Taxi Sagramanda Foster 2006
    Automated Travel Bureau Friday Heinlein 1982
    Automated Wake-Up Call - the hotel wakes you up The Kokod Warriors Vance 1952
    Automatic Air Mail Plane The Living Machine Keller 1935
    Automatic Automobile The Living Machine Keller 1935
    Automatic Commercial Deletion - no more commercials Satellite Five Barnes 1938
    Automatic Companion Robot - better than a puppy The Midas Plague Pohl 1954
    Automatic Door - like a roll top desk When the Sleeper Wakes Wells 1899
    Automatic Gun - targets without human intervention The Andromeda Strain Crichton 1969
    Automatic Hotel (Hotel Hendrix) - the hotel is your host Altered Carbon Morgan 2003
    Automatic Light Switch The Man Who Sold The Moon Heinlein 1950
    Automatic Massager - robot masseuse Far Centaurus van Vogt 1944
    Automatic Pilot - a brief history The Space Merchants Pohl (w/CM Kornbluth) 1952
    Automatic Reversed Memory - EEG in reverse Brain Control Cummins 1937
    Automatic Speeding Fine Old Fireball Schachner 1941
    Automatic Ticket Machine - your ticket to the stars Second Foundation Asimov 1953
    Automatic Toll Payment The Living Machine Keller 1935
    Automatic Vein Finder The Andromeda Strain Crichton 1969
    Automaton Chessplayer - the first chess-playing computer Moxon's Master Bierce 1910
    Auto-Navigation The Dream Master Zelazny 1966
    Autonomic Cab - all on its own The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch Dick 1965
    Autonomic Food-Processing System - untouched by humans Cantata 140 Dick 1964
    Autonomic Interviewer - pape's proxy The Zap Gun Dick 1965
    Autonomic Plow Clans of the Alphane Moon Dick 1964
    Autonomously Recharging UAV Changeling Zelazny 1980
    Autoporter - personal baggage handler The Shockwave Rider Brunner 1975
    Auto-Scan This Moment of the Storm Zelazny 1966
    Autosecretary (Autosec) - clipping service for the net Earth Brin 1990
    Autosurgeon - doctor's robot helper Altered Carbon Morgan 2003
    Auto-Treadmills (Needle-Gym) Natulife Brin 1994
    Ava - she wants to be taught The Calcutta Chromosome Ghosh 1995
    Avatar - godlike poseurs Snow Crash Stephenson 1992
    Avatar Construction Set - build your virtual self Snow Crash Stephenson 1992
    Axolotl Tank - device for regeneration Dune Messiah Herbert 1969

    for starters. Many more pages and direct reference links to explanations for the ideas included in the main webpage. Some of it should make it to alternative eras at least.
    (ah the power of google)
    Please remember that today's science fiction is tomorrow's potential reality - Satellites and Star Trek anyone?
    (p.s. you should also at least attempt to get MrAzure's attention again. at least for insight. He did say he was interested at continuing. Both of us pitched these links before, prob independently)
     

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