Term 3 Science - From Merlin to Fibonacci

[Cyc]

Welcome to the Term 3 Science Department.

In these learned halls we will try to divine the scientific course our nation will take as it moves forward into the Middle Ages. With this new Scientific Age comes many great leaders that dot the Cultural and Intellectual landscape of History. Please join us as we peer into the future where the sky and and the deep blue sea are our only limits.

Science Leader - Cyc

Science Deputy - Computer

Science Chat Rep - CivGeneral

The year is currently 920ad and we are researching Printing Press.
We should be finished with it in 5 turns.

Link to Term 2 Science -

 

[Cyc]

 

[Cyc]

As you can see above, we are destined to move quickly into the Middle Ages scientifically. We are currently researching Currency and should be complete in 8 - 11 turns. Once that is complete, Fanatica will most likely skip researching Republic and start with Monotheism. At press time, according to this poll, Fanatican citizens wish to research the path to Education in order to eliminate the effects of the Great Library located in Athens, Greece.

There are several discussions happening in the Citizens Subforum at this time. They are listed below:

What do YOU want?

Long Term Strategy

Research Strategy

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

I would like to be first to congratulate you, Cyc. Good Luck with this department. Its going to be crucial if we go peaceful.

I would just like to take this moment to ask the following question:
While I realize that this is Domestic's field, does Science have any plans to build any wonders? Having Wonders is going to be a large part of us being successful. Will you work with whoever is Domestic Head (DaveShack and Fionn are going to runoff) to build whatever wonders the Nation deems crucial?
Also, what are your opinions for the needed wonders?
Also Also: Isnt the Fibonacci sequence that 1:1.1618 ratio that seems to be everywhere (Its 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8... right?)
SaaM
Mayor of Nafstac. (Gorina-esque Thread to come soon)

 

[Cyc]

Thank you Stuck. I appreciate it. I agree with you that staying on top of the Scientific scene will be needed to help us inch our way to Victory. Hopefully, successful working of the Sci Rate Slider will keep us in the same ball park as some of the AI's heavy hitters.

As far as Wonders go, I'm all for them and would be glad to work with Domestic in lining up a couple to work on this Term. Personally, I feel that we should commence work on the Sistene Chapel pre-build in Gorina as soon as it's completed its Colosseum. I'd also like us to grab Music Theory, in order to build JS Bach's Cathedral. This is a very popular Great Wonder, but deviates slightly from the bee-line to Democracy some of our citizens are looking for. I feel both are a must, as happiness will probably become a problem for us in the near future. After that, because we are the Romans, I can see Smith's Trading Post being completed before any Science Wonders are built. The Art of War Wonder has never excited me, and as we are Romans, Barracks come at a reduced cost, so there's no big savings there. The Workshop Wonder does interest me and I would like to see that built in the Capital. This leaves the Scientific Wonders, as I sure I'm not going to be able to talk anyone into building the Shakespeare's Theatre Wonder this time around. I never get real excited about these either, but...I'll build Newton's University before Copernicus's Observatory anyday. Just conditioning, I guess.

And you are absolutely correct about Fibonacci, our great, but seldom celebrated Italian mathematician. Again, you impress me, Stuck. If I'm ever in the market for a Major General, I'll know where to look.

P.S. I can't wait to see the Nafstac thread.

 

[Plexus]

Congrats, Cyc, and welcome back to the cabinet.

 

[Cyc]

Thank you, Sir Plexus. Good luck getting the Culture Department back under your wing.

 

[donsig]

Dear Sir,

Your estimate of reaching the middle ages in 8 to 11 turns may not prove accurate. Our citizens have voted to switch to monarchy now which may delay our entrance into the new age by up to six turns. I would like to hear your opinion as to whether this revolution should be delayed until we complete our current research.

Thank you,
donsig

 

[Cyc]

Mr. President, the Science Department shares your view of waiting until Currency is researched before descending into Anarchy. This is especially true if the citizens vote to wait the 6 turns for the completion of our 4 Settlers in Production at this time (I'd also like to see the Legion in Inadatto change to a Settler - complete in 7 turns). But we must suggest again, that we raise the Sci Rate up to 80% as this will reduce the time we must wait to revolt (to 8 turns). The gold we'll spend per turn on Science is minimal and the gold that we'll lose because of city size reduction (as our Settlers are produced) should only drop us down to a workable level. I can't see waiting the extra turns to revolt. If you are planning on playing 10 turns this next turn chat, then we will be able to see the immediate results of our revolt before you end the chat. We will also know how long the period of Anarchy is, which may help us in our planning. It will also mean that we will be able to stay abreast of the AI 2 - 3 turns earlier.

I have already posted my opinion in this thread, as have you, but I thought i would post it here.

 

[donsig]

Since we may well hold off the revolution until we have currency, what is the science department's views on trading and/or selling this technology?

Also, a major goal of my administration is to bring the focus of the demogame back to the forums and thereby increase citizen participation. In order to reach these goals our leaders must present pertinent information in their thread (such as you do in the Gorina thread Mayor Cyc). Your post above with the Middle Ages tech tree is the kind of thing I'm talking about here. It would also be nice to have a table summarizing any techs the other civs have that we do not have and any techs we have that they do not have. Is this something you or your deputy could work up for us Minister Cyc?

 

[Rik Meleet]

I agree. It is better to know upfront when the anarchy period starts. That way we can prepare buiuldqueues, research, worker-actions etc. for this.

I think this should be polled. Revolt immediately when we have currency ? 1) No revolt now. 2) Revolt in 1 turn. etc..

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by Rik Meleet
I agree. It is better to know upfront when the anarchy period starts. That way we can prepare buiuldqueues, research, worker-actions etc. for this.

I think this should be polled. Revolt immediately when we have currency ? 1) No revolt now. 2) Revolt in 1 turn. etc..

The turn chat is less than twelve hours away. I do not think that is enough time for a proper poll on this matter. Governors should plan their build queues under the assumption that the revolution will occur no sooner than seven turns into the chat.

 

[Cyc]

Mr. President, in response to your request, I have list below the current status of Fanatica scientifically in regards to the other nations.

At present Babylon is the only nation we have a technological lead on. We have researched Construction and they have not.

All other nations we are tied with in terms of Science, to include:
Egypt
America
Russia
China
Persia
Aztecs

In response to your question about trading Currency once we have attained its knowledge, as Science Leader, I don't have a problem with this. The other nations are probably close to understanding this tech, so we won't save much by hording it. There may even be quite a few nations that will attain its knowledge before we do. That is another reason why we should raise the Sci Rate Slider up to 80% (-4gpt). This will allow us to complete research in 8 turns. We must move quickly in regards to this.

 

[Cyc]

After last night's turn chat, we still remain Technologically Advanced! Yes, we have completed our research on Currency and are the only known nation in the world to have attained this knowledge. We can be the first to build Marketplaces. This means, essentially, that our Scientific standing in the world improved last night. The Science Department certainly hopes this trend remains constant.

 

[Cyc]

The Latest Science poll is up and can be found here.

 

[GenMarshall]

Dear Cyc,

I would like to apply for possition of Science Chat Rep .

Thanks,
CivGeneral

 

[Cyc]

Yes, by all means CG. The Science team welcomes you aboard. I will edit the first post now.

 

[Cyc]

Here is the latest update to the approved Science Department Tech Path. As you can see, because we spent so much time hording our gold instead of spending it on research (2 t/c's ago), we have lost our technological lead, and are now backwards people. Hopefully, we can now stay up at 70% research until we take the lead again (excluding the times when we slide the Sci Rate down to collect extra gold when there is only one turn left to secure a Tech). Note that because of this poll, Astronomy has been chosen to be our next Tech after Education. This is fine with the Science Department, as we will possibly get a back-up Wonder to build if the Sistene Chapel goes bad. But this also means that because of the divisiveness of our people in choosing our path, the 6 people that wanted to forge ahead to Democracy will have to wait. Maybe next time.

 

[Cyc]

Just to bring everyone up to speed on the worldwide Science scene, this post is to inform you of the current Tech levels of the rest of the known nations.

Everyone has The Republic, and as this is an optional Tech for a government we will not use, I will not bring it up again.

Only Abe and Mao lack the knowledge of Monotheism.

The Greeks and the Persians have both finished researching Engineering, Feudalism.

With everyone having knowledge of Monotheism, except Abe and Mao (and us), I sure someone (or two) is working on Theology.

I would imagine the Greeks are working on Chivalry to put the horses to good use and the the Persians are working on Invention so they can dig up some saltpeter in their desert.

If so, this is not good for us. We need to push our SciRate up to 70% and leave it there (with the exception of sliding it down to collect more gold when a Tech can be secured in one turn). I realize it's already there, but we can't bring it down any lower as a default level.

We don't really need more than 100-120g in our bank, so we're doing fine financially. Let's have our cities grow, keep our Sci Rate high, and try to work our way back towards the Democracy Tech by getting Banking first. We need banks before we need the opotunity to hand out the Printing Press Tech for copper peices .

 

[Cyc]

As of 710ad, our progression through the Tech Tree has developed nicely, due to the trades made with other nations. In the picture below, you will see our current base of knowledge.

As will will be moving to Astronomy after Education, the following options will be available to us at its completion.

Chivalry
Invention
Printing Press
Music Theory
Banking
Navigation

It has been suggested in the science thread in the Citizen's subforum that we move towards Economics to get Smith's Trading Post. This would be a viable option, although recent sentiment has shown a desire for Democracy.

Although we are a backward people at the moment scientifically, we only lack a few Techs to once again be the leader in the Science field. As of now, the nations that are superior to us are Russia, Persia, and Greece.

Russia has Invention

Persia has Invention and Chivalry

Greece has Invention

At the moment I can't tell you about America, as we are at war with this nation. But I'm sure they are not much to worry about.

Let's keep that Sci Rate up at 70% and march on into the future. The world is our oyster.