Terrorism

[brinko]

like terrorists there should be terrorist supported states, where terrorists call home. what was once a poorly defended city attacked by migrant terrorists becomes the terrorists captial. from there it could become bigger if the situation is not handled correctly.

it would be nice to be bombing some city during a game while not actually declaring war. it would be good for bomber/fighter training.

 

[Comrade Pedro]

But the question is: If the country suports terrorists, wouldn't it loose all the credability and confidence? At least in the modern ages, where globalization is a present reality....

 

[brinko]

carry over

 

[brinko]

But the question is: If the country supports terrorists, wouldn't it loose all the credability and confidence? At least in the modern ages, where globalization is a present reality....

There once was a time when in civ2 maybe civ 3 barbarians could take over cities, same should apply for terrorists, but it should mean that the city they capture is still the countries that they stole it from...it shouldnt just mean that its an independant state of terrorists...

 

[Comrade Pedro]

I think terrorists wouldn't be risk theirselves enough to capture a city of any civilization, knowing that all the other civs was going to find out, because terrorism is a type of harming concerning all countries...

Naturally, terrorist forces virtually will never be able to defend a full scale assault of all types of civs....

I think terrorism should be treated much like sabotanging than conquering cities, because that would transform them into a model of a new civ, because basically that will be excatly what all civs normally do.....

 

[brinko]

because terrorism is a type of harming concerning all countries...

terrorism hasnt touched all countries... nothing has happened in canada yet directly, or england, or many other countries. yes terrorism is a nuisance, and affects the world indirectly, but this could all be solved.

the terrorist is unhappy, feels cheated, alone,

if a terrorist state was bribed with luxuries, not resources, maybe those suicide bombers wouldnt want to blow themselves up. I have come from a place where suicide is high, and know if these people had a place in the world to abide in peace, they would not turn to war or death. if they had a purpose like a wife, kids, games, good job with prospects of wanted luxuries, a vacation everynow and then, no body would want to leave this world.

a terrorist can be bribed just like anyone else

they suffer, and have nothing to cope the suffering with. heck i dont even think they have booze in some middle east countries.

just a thought

 

[Comrade Pedro]

I then see that you are not a comunistic fan comrade......

Not everybody fights for money, but also no one fights for nothing.....

 

[brinko]

i dont think one should die over oil, gold, tin, or because a rich man says so.
when a man has everything he needs, why would he sacrifice himself for more?
only when there is desire, is there destruction.
when the mind is not at peace, it is at war. whether it knows it or not.

george w bushs war machine is fighting againts shadows. people are dying because of what happened in the past.
september 11th was carma on the usa.
i sympathize with my enemy because i see him as he is.
instead of things returning to balance, george push and his mental midgets have sought an opportunity in this event and have seized it. now because of it, things are once again unbalanced in the world. and once again, someone or something will balance it back.
who is george bush to tell me and my people what is good and what is evil. i know many goody goods who think they are doing good, because of the good book. yet in the end, the path of life that they choose leaves more destruction and chaos then they know. the are ignorant and do not understand compassion.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

and if this bewildered human race burns in the aftermath of ww3, maybe it is just for the best.

anyways.. I only battle i do with the mind. for when a winner is declared, it is final.

 

[searcheagle]

if they had a purpose like a wife, kids, games, good job with prospects of wanted luxuries, a vacation everynow and then, no body would want to leave this world.

a terrorist can be bribed just like anyone else

they suffer, and have nothing to cope the suffering with. heck i dont even think they have booze in some middle east countries.

just a thought

This is nice in a theorical world but does the name Osama bin Laden ring a bell? He has/had a net worth of millions or billions of dollars and look what he did. As a young man, he joined the fight for the freedom of Afghanistan in the 70s. Why did he give up his life of affluence? Becuase he thought his cause his cause was more important then financial cause.

A Harvard University professor studied the link between poverty and terrorism does not exist.

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2004/11.04/05-terror.html

 

[brinko]

first of all they only tell u what u want to hear, and what u would die for...
a man needs reason for anything...if there was no reason to die, would u still die?

reasons for war are never really known.

the us have dropped bombs on 23 different countries since ww2.?
whos the terrorist there? and in the end did it leave us better off?
of course not.
figure that one out and then ask your self who are the evil ones.

 

[Comrade Pedro]

i dont think one should die over oil, gold, tin, or because a rich man says so.
when a man has everything he needs, why would he sacrifice himself for more?
only when there is desire, is there destruction.
when the mind is not at peace, it is at war. whether it knows it or not.

Yes, i totally agreed, but the question in this world is unequality...... The fundamental problem of the humans is that they are never satisfied with the other have more than he has.....The society is a total failure....

Unfortunately the US always create reasons for their actions, even if they are the most barbarian ones.....and they get away with that....the guilty of all of this is all of us, who let them do what they do.....

 

[Whomp]

terrorism hasnt touched all countries... nothing has happened in canada yet directly, or england, or many other countries.

You're wrong.

 

[brinko]

well with those statistics i think i am...

 

[Comrade Pedro]

Terrorism by doing an action afects us all, because of the very connection that we have to all of the world......
Basically all that would happen now would affect us in some way...

 

[brinko]

who let them do what they do.....

comrade pedro u have enough insight of whats going in this world, so i do not need to reconfirm ideas shared by both of us.

rammstein said "we all live in america"

hitler dehumanized the jews
bush dehumanized the terrorists.

these are humans and because of their enviroment, they are who they are. the enviroment they grew up in was directly affected by the us. they are uprising. they cry and all we do is muffle them, how compassionate we are.

 

[Comrade Pedro]

Exactly "we all live in america", we are flooded with US all the way....But the iniciative for that change has to begin on everyone of us...

 

[brinko]

we can change by showing compassion to our enemies and treat him as if he were our own brother...possibly see him as ourselves...

 

[dh_epic]

Terror does have a link to poverty, or at least desperation. You wouldn't be able to pay Iraqi civilians "on the fence" a thousand bucks to throw grenades at American civilians if the unemployment rate wasn't huge, and if their family wasn't factored in with "collatoral damage".

The problem is the same in Palestine and many other hotbeds for suicide bombing.

Not to say that some people aren't truly crazy, or intellectually frustrated with the conditions that others face and join up with some cause. That's true for anything. And there are plenty of people who even in desperate situations they would never take another human life (although they might give food or aid to a terrorist or even just sympathy).

But desperation provides the heat, and everyone's got a different boiling point.

 

[brinko]

its sad but true.... whats more likely gonna happen is that when unemployment rates are astronomical, wars are fought, reasons are created, and eventually enough men die to pave the way for normalicy. its a universal balance visible in all things. this shows the intelligence of the illuminaie and our national leaders...
we got unlimited space, but we await the one man to tell us when to begin.

 

[Whomp]

--@ Brinko I think someone English or Irish may may beg to differ on being terrorized.

I digress and get back to the original topic...here are a few thoughts I have as it pertains to the conquest, religion and oppression of a conquered AI Civ. (something's that's happened throughout history)

1 Resistors -They would knock hit points off your garrison (no healing in resistence). This is when the spearman (carrying a moltov cocktail) can damage the tank! Keep a smaller garrison? "Sir we have revolt in xx" and THEN a flip possibility when the citizens turn back that small military presence left behind. Keep a big garrison? OK but what about the advancing forces? Now managing logistics would play a bigger role in domination.
2.Unhappy Citizens-No shields, no work, no workers can be spit out and some internal city mayhem.
3.Contents work at only 50% capacity of capabilities.
4.Happy people Back to normal.
No genocide without consequences. You starve them? They resist.

Off topic...(generally) in most developed nation's 3 people come into the economy as 1 leaves. In Saudi Arabia it's 30:1. That's an awful lot of young people in a wealthy nation where a kid has no job and nothing but time on their hands. We better send them Civ4 or things could get really unruly!!!