Terrorists at Utah State force speaker to cancel

[Kennigit]

To be honest i always thought misogyny was used to reference attitudes and practices that purposefully make women worse off or significantly help men on purpose in more subtle ways

Not straight out hate crimes or subjection. Those are a different class of all the -isms and -y

I.e. society can roughly propogate the -isms and -ys, but the hate crimers and -ides choose to be outside of perceived societal structure for their own views. "We havent gone too far enough!"

 

[Agent327]

To be honest i always thought misogyny was used to reference attitudes and practices that purposefully make women worse off or significantly help men on purpose in more subtle ways

Not straight out hate crimes or subjection. Those are a different class of all the -isms and -y

Indeed. Couldn't have put it better.

 

[Kyriakos]

To be honest i always thought misogyny was used to reference attitudes and practices that purposefully make women worse off or significantly help men on purpose in more subtle ways

Not straight out hate crimes or subjection. Those are a different class of all the -isms and -y

I.e. society can roughly propogate the -isms and -ys, but the hate crimers and -ides choose to be outside of perceived societal structure for their own views. "We havent gone too far enough!"

More sensible to argue that those terms can connote different things or levels of the 'same' thing. No reason to elevate 'hate crime' above 'misogyny' or whatever. Also, most people tend to feel stuff, and given most people who break some law also tend to feel stuff at that moment, it is usual that some feel hatred as well. That category is way too easy to manipulate for dreadful (or at best just shortsighted/feeble) ends.

 

[Samson]

To be honest i always thought misogyny was used to reference attitudes and practices that purposefully make women worse off or significantly help men on purpose in more subtle ways

Not straight out hate crimes or subjection. Those are a different class of all the -isms and -y

I.e. society can roughly propogate the -isms and -ys, but the hate crimers and -ides choose to be outside of perceived societal structure for their own views. "We havent gone too far enough!"

I would say that misogyny is the hatred of women, as opposed to sexism which is thinking that they are not as good as men or whatever, and is frequently accompanied by love of at least 1 women.

Both sexism and misogyny could result in "attitudes and practices that purposefully make women worse off or significantly help men on purpose in more subtle ways", but only misogyny could result in straight out hate crimes.

 

[Antilogic]

More like Godwin's law, sadly.

Seeing as antisemitic measures were in place since day 1 of the Third Reich, I feel confident saying you seem to be missing a point or two.

I was definitely joking with that post. I thought you weren't, but now I'm not sure.

 

[BvBPL]

Carrying a concealed weapon outside of private property is a crime in Utah as far as I know. That state has a licensing system for qualifying individuals which is what this law is referring to. You seem to speak as if this college campus is a Somali free-for all?



I highly doubt that the college's lack of interest in providing a TSA security screening force for Sarkeesian has anything to do with alleged legal limitations. I suspect that the college simply didn't want to fly in metal detectors, wands, or have rubber glove-clad officers groping people's genitals.

Actually, state law prevents college campuses from barring concealed weapons from being brought onto the campus and in publicly accessible campus buildings. So it is not a question of whether or not the campus wanted to metal detectors when in fact it was illegal for the school to do so.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Actually, state law prevents college campuses from barring concealed weapons from being brought onto the campus and in publicly accessible campus buildings. So it is not a question of whether or not the campus wanted to metal detectors when in fact it was illegal for the school to do so.

No offence to your source but I really don't care much about opinion pieces. Though I did skim over it and it seems the author actually didn't contradict me at all. Here is the actual law if your interested.http://le.utah.gov/code/TITLE53/htm/53_05a010200.htm (edit: broken link fixed)

State authorities cannot restrict the legal possession of firearms "except as specifically provided by state law." Public schools are considered state authorities. A lot of states have these same exact preemption laws.

Also, I highly doubt security metal detectors and their use are illegal anywhere Utah as a restrictions to gun owners' rights. I couldn't find any info on that at all so can you provide a source?

 

[BvBPL]

No offence to your source but I really don't care much about opinion pieces. Though I did skim over it and it seems the author actually didn't contradict me at all. Here is the actual law if your interested.http://le.utah.gov/code/TITLE53/htm/53_05a010200.htm (edit: broken link fixed)

State authorities cannot restrict the legal possession of firearms "except as specifically provided by state law."

Universities are not subject to such an exception and cannot bar legal concealed weapons from public areas.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Universities are not subject to such an exception and cannot bar --legal-- concealed weapons from public areas. In fact, Utah law specifically bars state entities from enforcing rules against concealed and carried weapons.

Yep, pretty much as I explained...

So public authorities might have issues if they enforce one of their rules that's not properly illegal or within their legal mandate? Sounds good to me. After all, in addition to existing laws, there is a process to legislation and repeal.

That aside, no more nonsense about anyone and his cousin being able to pack heat as they please in schools and law enforcement can't do anything to stop it because of a made up law that doesn't exist? I appreciate it.

 

[BvBPL]

If anyone and his cousin have concealed and carry permits then the University of Utah would not be able to bar them from having their guns at a public event. The University can't do that under Utah law.

 

[Bugfatty300]

If anyone and his cousin have concealed and carry permits then the University of Utah would not be able to bar them from having their guns at a public event. The University can't do that under Utah law.

Makes sense. It's a state-issued permit to carry a gun in public. Not to my bathroom and back.

Also, note that the specific mass murder threat in this case mentioned semi-automatic rifles and pipe bombs as well as pistols so why all the focus on preemption rule for law-abiding licensed handgun carriers? Is there a Utah pipe bomb carry permit?