Hygro
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I agree 50% the anti AI position is an astroturfed conspiracy against the pueblo
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Gori the Grey
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Hygro scores ninety-seven for zeal.
His charisma they wouldn't reveal.
But I don't need AI
To know that too's high,
Cuz I know the fella for real.*
*"for real" refers only to shared interaction on an online discussion site. This claim constitutes no representation, express or implied, of knowing the "real" Hygro. As if that were even possible.
innonimatu
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This "AI" (LLM) are toys. No surprise that young people like it.
The productivity effect is negative, as your example above shows. You have the fake show of recruitment with AI, which is a pure waste of resources (work time and energy), and the real process, which is that back channel.
You can answer that it was so before this "AI", that candidates who were known to someone had an advantage. But as you said, the "official channel", which might work in the past, is now overwhelmed.Crap in, crap out.
Hygro
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Hygro
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Generally Text AI > Image AI > Video AI > Music AI
but in this example: Music AI > Video AI > Text AI and even some of the text AI lines slap.
I wonder how much the creator micromanaged every step of this.
but in this example: Music AI > Video AI > Text AI and even some of the text AI lines slap.
I wonder how much the creator micromanaged every step of this.
Hygro
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The team that exploits this technology will beat the team that is too cool for it 100%
Lexicus
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If the performance metrics that define "beat" prioritize quantity over quality, then yeah...
Gori the Grey
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It's AI resources used to good effect. It's not a good rock video.
So it's kind of hard to say which of two teams would do better.
If the people at RED aren't musicians, but want to get out a pro-labor message through a rock video, then they've done so using AI resources (but creating AI slop). The resource is enabling in that way.
But if you were a drummer and your team was three friends who played base and lead guitar and sang, you'd do better to just write a song and play it to people. You would almost certainly "beat" this.
So my position is closer to Lex's than to yours here, Hygro.
So it's kind of hard to say which of two teams would do better.
If the people at RED aren't musicians, but want to get out a pro-labor message through a rock video, then they've done so using AI resources (but creating AI slop). The resource is enabling in that way.
But if you were a drummer and your team was three friends who played base and lead guitar and sang, you'd do better to just write a song and play it to people. You would almost certainly "beat" this.
So my position is closer to Lex's than to yours here, Hygro.
Hygro
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How many prompts use the same resources as a hamburger?
Lexicus
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I don't know, but how is that relevant? My point is that generative AI doesn't produce good writing, it produces slop, but it can produce a lot of slop fast.
Gori the Grey
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So, for a minute, it flashed through my head, "maybe there will be a new genre: AI-enabled art." And we'll judge the products in that genre against other such products, rather than against AI-renouncing artists.
But all AI is built to do is imitate all of the old genres of AI-less artistic productivity (here a rock video). So it is, intrinsically, asking to be judged against standards set by pre-AI or non-AI productions.
So I snapped back to "nope. This thing is asking to be taken as a rock video." So I have to put it somewhere on my ranked list of rock videos. And where it goes is in the "would never watch a second time" echelon. There are plenty made without AI there too. But this isn't "beating" anything. It doesn't beat "Beat It," does it?
Put me on the too cool for AI team; I like our chances.
But all AI is built to do is imitate all of the old genres of AI-less artistic productivity (here a rock video). So it is, intrinsically, asking to be judged against standards set by pre-AI or non-AI productions.
So I snapped back to "nope. This thing is asking to be taken as a rock video." So I have to put it somewhere on my ranked list of rock videos. And where it goes is in the "would never watch a second time" echelon. There are plenty made without AI there too. But this isn't "beating" anything. It doesn't beat "Beat It," does it?
Put me on the too cool for AI team; I like our chances.
Hygro
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That was your point? We're talking resources and use case and value and cost (dollars and energy), and you want to highlight that one use case of one element of AI doesn't .. entertain you enough?
Dude please accept that I mean this for your benefit. The anti-AI crowd is operating on pure copium, strengthening confirmation bias looking at the worst possible examples blissfully unaware of the gap between the dip your toes toys and the news that reports them, and their reality.
"I tried to get AI to do some exact thing and it failed" okay. Imagine typing a sentence into yahoo and getting nothing good back in 1999. Like, first, use google, second, use the best 2 or 3 words and then know how to browse. It's the same today, except completely different, and you have to look to those differences.
Copium, newb-ness, skill issues, indentity group reaffirmation, and of course that conspiratorial possibility these tools are being hyped and dismissed based on partisan demos to minimize one side's ability to use to them while selling them on how cool they are for recognizing bad writing like art like that's something new.
I am 6 months behind the curve. And I'm an early adopter. I know this because 6 months ago a tool was released for a usecase I've had for a year and just discovered it a few days ago thinking I needed to wait. I really don't like consuming AI-annoncement media nor do I enjoy staying current on the vocab metagame.
However my work demands that either I bang my head on a wall and procrastinate all day hoping to get into a fiery zone of super focus to get anything done, or I can use AI on its terms of its best practices and I have the best easiest job in the world and my productivity is sky high. Like it seemed wild in 2024 when feeding prompts into chat interfaces with book-length context windows could give you working results, and 2024 is now a joke compared to what we have. I bet you've noticed zero difference.
Nowhere do I have to like slop to know how to use it to make high quality outputs.
You can be a part of it or a hater, but the haters have no moral high ground here. Just curmudgeny aesthetics. Their chorus of disdain is at worst impeding anyone in their tribe... Ine side is about to show up to the war riding horses against another side driving tanks. The battlefied? Trenched up plains. But I can traverse mountains better. Sure, the cities, farms, people, and whole point of the fight is mostly in the plains.
Like think deeper. Is the complaint that "In 2 seconds AI doesn't beat great artists and writers therefore useless"? I mean, yeah, true and thank God. But that's not what this is. This is what 100,000 USD per capita looks like. 10k was cars, and yes riding horses is way more fun than cars, you're in nature and it's a nice pace and can stop and talk.
I'm asking you to consider waking up, and if you're serious, to use the tools to win economically, financially, politically, personally. 30 years ago it was the Internet. We're young enough to know all the grownups who didn't like they Internet weren't actually cooler just because books are better than geocities. There wasn't much on there worth anything to anyone's daily life except email, forums, alt news, and directions until well into the 2000s.
But I read an article that– dawg. The AI journalists are not smarter than you. They are feeding you identity supplication at best. This is the big tech change, and it's up to you to decide if you're a geezer or youthful enough to change.
Waiting for it to be so good it can replace artists and authors and blow your mind, some tiny little fraction of what this is even trying to do in some future, is just waiting for it to beat you, to consume you, and not to empower you at all. But those using it to their benefit, whether work or life, are reducing stress and increasing time and energy for the things that matter.
Hygro
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Again, this isn't even the axis.
I just spent over $400 getting a song mastered. There's AI mastering tools. I own them. It makes it free. Doesn't even cross my mind to use them for this. This $400 was for 5 different engineers, from $20 to $200, I wanted to see what would happen and compare them to choose the best.
What does mastering do? Well, if you did everything right up until that point, basically nothing. If it's mixed well (and it was), mastering should only do like 3% at most. 3% doesn't make or break a song. The mixing that does 30% before mastering also doesn't really make a song, helps not break it. Producing, arranging, performing, song writing, all these upstream elements, these are the song.
I would say not mastering it, and 3 of the 5, maybe 4, are all great bets. The one master that makes it only worse barely affects it at all.
And yet it's worth it. Why? Why would an "AI bro" waste his time chasing a tiny sliver of a little more perfection?
Because this field is not an AI field.
It's just a different topic.
"Oh wow AI sucks at giving me a next level experience" Yeah dawg everything corporate has failed you in that way. You still work for them and buy from them. They still mass produce the instruments, the cables, the cameras, the bricks for the studio, your computer for editing the music video.
Oh man Adobe is terrible. They make art tools and they aren't my favorite artist. Like what are you even saying.
Red Elk's is showing us how far something has come in 2 years. That it makes you think it's even in the realm of competing for your interest in music videos is incredible, because it's a toy demo with a rock meets communism flavor.
Art, even commercial art just isn't commerce. My song is as close to "AI art" as a song made by passionate humans trying to reach #1 could have recorded in 2014 and then finished in 2025. It's as far away as anything. Like, this song is the point. The AI agents that I have coding for me in the background while I write this getting me paid, and the AI chat I have helping me figure out my busy schedule, these give me the time, money, and energy to finish this freaking art project. This art project whose relationship to AI itself is completely disconnected on any axis that would matter to the anti-AI aesthetic (small use of deep cut tools like stem separation that aren't "creative" nor prompt based).
Senethro
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You make the AI sound so good Hygro, that you are almost superfluous to the creation process.
Gori the Grey
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Hygro, I'm glad you're finding that AI tools are helping you with your artistry. I went to your sound cloud site before you were using AI and liked your stuff, so I wish you only the best. If AI tools are going to help you bring it to the form you want, more power to you.
But you made a general claim that the team working with AI would beat the team working without it, and I think that just isn't true. Hard to imagine how we might arrange an art-off, but I'd put my money on the team not using AI to deliver something more genuinely artistically powerful. Like if we could find some band, the size of and with the financial resources of RED, and asked them to develop a song, I think you'd get something better. If you think that too, then it's not the AI team beating the too-cool team 100%. (End production would be nothing to write home about; it would be somebody's iphone filming somebody's garage. Sound quality wouldn't be studio.)
I take a different view than you do of Red Elk's video. I think AI has hit its plateau. I think this is what it can give us and the best it ever will give us. Uncanny valley in any depictions of human beings and music that sounds derivative, always derivative. (Again, plenty of pre-AI or non-AI art is derivative too, of course. But AI never, and can't, rise above that. It is literally what it does; it goes and derives.)
Maybe the specific art form makes a difference. It's poetry for me. And so there's no downstream stuff for me to bother having AI help with.
And to this:
Because it's you. You're going to chase that sliver. You would have done so in a world where AI had never been invented, if there were a sliver to chase in any other way.
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danjuno
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I'm completely lost.
Gori the Grey
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Ask Chat-GPT to help you, danjuno.
danjuno
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I asked Cleverbot what the hell Hygro was talking about and it said it didn't know.
