There definitely is one, as I'm sure GW tell you (and likely provide the citation). They'd likely have to be extremely trusting in the Bible as the absolute reality of all topics under the Sun in order to take any sort of date with any relevance.
The all new, totally accepted, bigotry thread - "Blame a Christian"
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Mathew 24:36 or Mark 13:32
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Only provoked agreement here. The holocaust is also a good example for the failings of the "free will" argument. Because I don't think the free will of some Nazis was worth the death and suffering of millions of Jews.
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So two Germans would prefer Hitler had succeded or not been born?
Hitler started a ball rolling that is still rolling today with israel and iran at odds over nuclear energy? Could we keep it Christian and blame the Pope of the day for not keeping a handle on things?
Personally, I do not think the Holocaust as a punishment, one bit. I do think that it led to the restoration of Israel and yes I think that God could have done it better than using Hitler, but one cannot change history.
I would have to agree with all your points Ziggy.
Hitler started a ball rolling that is still rolling today with israel and iran at odds over nuclear energy? Could we keep it Christian and blame the Pope of the day for not keeping a handle on things?
Personally, I do not think the Holocaust as a punishment, one bit. I do think that it led to the restoration of Israel and yes I think that God could have done it better than using Hitler, but one cannot change history.
I would have to agree with all your points Ziggy.
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And the CFC-OT Understatement of the Year Award goes to ...
United Republic of Nations citizen here, what are you on about?
Well holocaust and other things done by nazis were beastly no doubt.
Take for example tiger. Its a real beast who kills its prey. Now is tiger doing Gods work? I guess in broader sense since it serves certain purpose within Gods creation you can see it that way. Tiger and other life forms are in one way or other sustained by life and consumation of others lifes. You can see it as beastly or as Gods or Natures plan. Now thats of course when you judge beastliness on earth level.
The beastliness the Nazis produced or has been instruments of is however of different type and I am afraid it is impossible to understand it properly if one limits Gods creation to the physical level alone. But if one can see the possibility of forces which could be called titanic or satanic than even this could be understood. Their are not evolutionary beings/forces but they do play their role and again can be seen as part of Gods creation and plan.
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Anyhow, to Ady I think it was... sure, the prophecy isn't ONLY for the holocaust... but for all the persecution they faced.
The OT is full of the Jews receiving God's wrath... acknowledging that doesn't mean I am apologizing for it or saying it is a good thing or anything like that. I have deep sympathy for the Jewish people, especially after what the Germans did with such calm, calculated efficiency... and am fully supportive of their nation state coming about AFTER their suffering, as it did in 1948, also prophecied.
So, anyhow... that's my two cents.
The OT is full of the Jews receiving God's wrath... acknowledging that doesn't mean I am apologizing for it or saying it is a good thing or anything like that. I have deep sympathy for the Jewish people, especially after what the Germans did with such calm, calculated efficiency... and am fully supportive of their nation state coming about AFTER their suffering, as it did in 1948, also prophecied.
So, anyhow... that's my two cents.
Ziggy Stardust
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You missed the point. If the holocaust is God's punishment, you make the argument that Hitler and the Nazis were not to blame, but mere instruments.
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Yes, the land area is specifically described.
However, I wonder sometimes if it isn't meant more figuratively...
Like, they can pretty much finally rest assured, after this last HUGE one by the nazis, that no one else will ever do it again (we can hope)...
Other parts of the OT even talk about shaved heads and then of course the "pregnant" males... it seems pretty clear to me...
So, I hope it is the end of their suffering on such a level. There are now places the Jews can go, if Israel the state should fall, and be fairly certain of life...
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You can be more active, you can also pray to God to ask him to be satisfied with the punishment the Jews have had.
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along with, the peace of Jerusalem.
Ziggy Stardust
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Hear, hear!
Ziggy Stardust
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Question. What defines a Christian and who defined Christians?
If someone has the believe that Jesus was the Word, but not the Bible, which would be about the Word, one poses that the Bible is holy because it speaks about the Word, not because it's holy in it's own right as the infallible Word of God.
If someone has the believe that Jesus was the Word, but not the Bible, which would be about the Word, one poses that the Bible is holy because it speaks about the Word, not because it's holy in it's own right as the infallible Word of God.
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Acts 11:26 is the first usage:
They were followers of Jesus the Christ.
I always took it that God cannot be approached or seen by humans in their present state. The Spirit is the form of God, that communicates with humans on a spiritual level. The Christ or any physical form that humans can see is God in the flesh, that we can see, and touch, and reason out with our mind. To me the written word is a powerful tool, albeit, I am not that great at it. When it comes to the Bible though, God was in the spoken word as opposed to the written form. The spoken word was written down, sometimes as it was being spoken. If no one had written down the spoken word, we would not have copies of it today. Of course most would just like to think that God was unable to keep that spoken word intact as it went through all of the writtings from one worn out manuscript to the next, due to human error.
They were followers of Jesus the Christ.
I always took it that God cannot be approached or seen by humans in their present state. The Spirit is the form of God, that communicates with humans on a spiritual level. The Christ or any physical form that humans can see is God in the flesh, that we can see, and touch, and reason out with our mind. To me the written word is a powerful tool, albeit, I am not that great at it. When it comes to the Bible though, God was in the spoken word as opposed to the written form. The spoken word was written down, sometimes as it was being spoken. If no one had written down the spoken word, we would not have copies of it today. Of course most would just like to think that God was unable to keep that spoken word intact as it went through all of the writtings from one worn out manuscript to the next, due to human error.
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A Christian is a follower of Christ.
What defines it was laid out by Jesus.
Jesus, in the end, via ultimate judgment, defines who is a Christian.
Ziggy Stardust
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Through passages in the Bible, which is not the word.
But I like the last sentence. I might even apply and I'll be amongst a lot of very cross Scotsmen.
But I like the last sentence. I might even apply and I'll be amongst a lot of very cross Scotsmen.
